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Re: The Jewish Ritual Murder of Andreas Youshinsky.

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
Liar. You believed it the very first day you heard it. Or if not then the day after you took up denying the Holocaust. You want it to be true , admit it ?

I wonder, what levels of "empirical evidence" do we have for this one ? :lol: :lol:
While not all of the gory tales are true, enough are. We have eye witnesses to attest to the fact. It is true, must be true unless you or Nessie have evidence. If these kids were not murdered where did they go? They must have been housed and fed somewhere; people would have seen them.

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And here is another aspect of this.

Magda Teter, the author of the new book on this other Jewish protected topic appears to be someone who self-identifies as Jewish.
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Thus we appear to have someone writing and lecturing upon a 'history' which denies Jewish ritual murder, but who doesn't acknowledge any dog in the fight, any horse in the race.

What is more, the above advertised lecture was made possible by support from the Program in Judaic Studies and HISB.

So... CONSIDER THE FOLLOWING
If some academic who was a follower of a Jim Jones or a David Koresh were to write a 'history' justifying the actions of those cult leaders, their allegiance to them would be acknowledged, commented on and taken into consideration when assessing the objectivity and accuracy of their 'historical' research.

If some academic were to write a 'history' denying prevalence of female infanticide within Islamic cultures it would be expected they announce and acknowledge if their view was compromised by themselves being a follower of Islam and a practicing muslim.

Similarly if an academic were to write a 'history' denying Tibetan Buddhist feudalism, it would be expected that they declare and acknowledge any Tibetan Buddhist affiliation and possible worshipful clouding of their objectivity.

But when someone who appears to be a Polish Jew living in heavily Jewish New York writes a 'history' denying ALL the cases — throughout the last thousand years — of Jewish ritual murder, the fact that she is Jewish and is therefore perhaps not an unbiased source, is NEVER mentioned!!!
The funding for all her research coming from Jewish organisations is also not considered worth mentioning , nor a conflict of interest.

And to mention this Jewish bias — if in the case of Magda Teter, she does self-identify as Jewish, which therefore would be an extremely relevant FACT — this fact will be avoided by using the 'anti-semitism' demonisation, to make the obvious relevance of that fact be disregarded.
Magda Teter is Professor of History and the Shvidler Chair of Judaic Studies at Fordham University. She is the author of Jews and Heretics in Catholic Poland.
Teter’s work has been supported by the John Simon Guggenheim Memorial Foundation, the Harry Frank Guggenheim Foundation, the Memorial Foundation for Jewish Culture, YIVO Institute, and the Yad Ha-Nadiv Foundation (Israel), among others.
In 2002, she was a Harry Starr Fellow in Jewish Studies at Harvard University, in 2007-2008, and in 2017-2018 she was the Mellon Foundation fellow at the Cullman Center for Scholars and Writers at the New York Public Library, where she completed her book on blood libels in premodern Europe. In 2012-2016, she served as the co-editor of the AJS Review and in 2015-2017 as the Vice-President for Publications of the Association for Jewish Studies.
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Re: The Jewish Ritual Murder of Andreas Youshinsky.

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
Liar. You believed it the very first day you heard it. Or if not then the day after you took up denying the Holocaust. You want it to be true , admit it ?

I wonder, what levels of "empirical evidence" do we have for this one ? :lol: :lol:
Depends on the case now doesn't it? For example, I would say that the account of the murder of William of Norwich by Thomas of Monmouth is a little odd. Considering it talks about a miraculous light from heaven which helped illuminate the spot where the body was hiding. Yeah, sure :roll: I tend to not lend any credence to cases older than the 19th century. That's just me personally.

It also depends on which Jew is being accused. I mean, if they are Hasidic Jews, or Frankist or even Sabbatean Jews, then yes. Because those sects are heavily into the kabbalah, which is just another system of the occult, which leads to black magic, which leads to blood ritual, which leads to child sacrifice. I didn't think there was an occult blood letting sect in any Judaism, but then I studied, looked into it more, and found heavy connections between the occult, kabbalah, freemasonry and it just made sense.

Did you know that a lot of renaissance black magic books that actually teach demon conjuring rituals and blood magic and (some of them) edge on child sacrifice rituals, have a lot of IHS logos in them? AS IN THE JESUIT ORDER? Did you also know about the accusation that each Papal Bull was actually written on the human hide made from flesh of a sacrificial victim? The underground catacombs in the Vatican don't just house libraries. There are also many tunnels leading to horrible underground dungeons which satanic child sacrifice and trauma based mind control is practiced. And what about Islam? Cutting the heads off of people? That's very satanic. And how about this blood letting ritual of Ashura that they practice in children? There is a hidden sect within Islam that is connected to freemasonry and black magic as well. All 3 major western religions contain them.

Now as to why, many people have other theories. Some of them dovetail with the idea that a certain line of annunaki still live today and they, along with a few other malevolent alien races that are hiding waaayyy underground in certain parts of the Earth, created these religions/cults long ago to control and dominate people. And also to teach about systems of magic, drugs, and sacrifice.

Look into adrenochrome and how it connects to victims of satanic ritual abuse and torture. Jews aren't the only ones who have practiced human sacrifice in line with black magic blood letting rituals. They aren't the most powerful syndicate that does it, they aren't the largest, they aren't the first, and they won't be the last. The Hasidic branch of Judaism is just one of many of the world religions/cults that has a satanic, blood letting core to it. At the end of the day, there are way more Nazi/German connections to the CIA mind control torture programs than Jewish ones. Because of all this stuff. I believe that Mengele wasn't totally innocent of some of the things he was accused of. I believe that world was distracted about phony gas chambers and magical ovens and magical pyres with self combusting corpses with a never ending supply of body fat (fuel), and bullshit lies about Adolf Eichmann, so that they would look away from what was really going on with the CIA, the OSS, Mengele and few other MK Ultra forerunners.

Did you know that Israeli Mossad not only arrested Eichmann, but they could have captured Mengele? Did you know that they refused? Now why is that? Could it be because British Intelligence and American Intelligence said no to arresting Mengele behind the scenes? YEP! The same British and Americans that were behind the United Nations which created Israel, a Rothschild vassal state, which was wedged in there to grab the mineral wealth of the Dead Sea and all the oil and all the land? The precursor of The Mossad was called "The Institute." And it was made up of 3 other splinter groups before Canadian born British agent William Stephenson helped merge them into one. Yep. The man called Intrepid. That's the same one! :o So the British and the Roman mafias control Israel and run the world. They made sure Mengele and other Nazis connected to MK Ultra work that the CIA was going to continue in America, remained UNTOUCHED.

But then you already knew this about me, Lupus. You already know I don't think the buck stops at "The Jew" or "The Jews." I've made it clear to you, Jeff, and Goody that I could take or leave the gas chambers because in the wider conspiracy picture I've uncovered, there are bigger and badder fish to fry. They may call me wacko and stupid and say I have voices in my head and need therapy. But at least they grant me that I don't believe the buck stops at the Jew.

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Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
been-there wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:40 am
First of all, I admit I am new to this topic of 'Jewish ritual murder'.
That is because I always accepted the viewpoint that what is called the Jewish 'blood libel' was a completely false and unbelievable ancient calumny against Jews.
Therefore I never gave it any credibility, and therefore never bothered to familiarise myself with the details.
Liar. You believed it the very first day you heard it.
Hmmm? Interesting response. :ugeek:
I take this as yet another sign of a deeply delusional mind-set that is attached to 'holocaust' belief.

Here the 'believer' thinks they know and can read the minds of others.
The reality is that for all my life since hearing of this so-called ‘blood libel’, I naively accepted the ad hominem attack that only anti-semites believed it.
For example I was dismayed to hear Dermot Mulqueen bring it up in conversation with David Baddiel, as I thought that proved him to be a simple-minded person who believed OBVIOUSLY false, anti-semitic libels.

Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
Or if not then the day after you took up denying the Holocaust.
Here is another sign that 'believers' of this narrative are unable to approach the topic reasonably and intelligently. As the truth is I don't "deny" the holocaust. Much of what history currently believes happened to Jews during WW2 I accept without question. It is only certain of the details plus the alleged scale of the mass-gassing allegation that I question.
So in reality I am not "denying" anything. The sad irony is that it is aggressive, hate-filled 'faith-filled believers' like Lupus who are in denial of what exactly is being questioned. Sad really. :?

Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
You want it to be true , admit it ?
Again another sign of hate-motivated self-delusion.
This person still appears to believe he can read minds of people thousands of miles away from him, and deludedly maintains he can know the thoughts of others better than they themselves do. So, a sign of arrogant self-delusion.
The reality is that I still hope to find that it is untrue in all but the few cases for which there appears to be credible and overwhelming evidence.

Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
I wonder, what levels of "empirical evidence" do we have for this one ? :lol: :lol:
“...levels of 'empirical evidence'??!!!” Oh boy!
“Levels”???? :roll:
So — to end — we have here further evidence of a 'believer' who still has not understood what "empirical evidence" means, nor the relevance of empirical evidence in accurately assessing the compulsory and 'thought-crime' protected 'holocaust' pseudo-historical narrative.

The facts remain that the currently known empirical evidence unequivocally REFUTES certain details of the mass-gassing claim at certain of the alleged locations. I.e. applying the empirical paradigm to the 'holocaust' story shows it to be false and physically impossible in certain particulars.

Whereas there is no empirical evidence that refutes the salient points in the alleged cases of Jewish ritual murder.
This seems an obvious distinction.

The problem as usual is that 'believers' of the holocaust narrative — and now this Jewish ritual murder allegation — do not understand 'empiricism' nor even the basics of what is being discussed.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of people defending this narrative are unaware of their own intellectual limitations in discussing it.
As was pointed out to Jeff recently by Blake, elsewhere.

The problem is explained by Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
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been-there wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:11 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
been-there wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:40 am
First of all, I admit I am new to this topic of 'Jewish ritual murder'.
That is because I always accepted the viewpoint that what is called the Jewish 'blood libel' was a completely false and unbelievable ancient calumny against Jews.
Therefore I never gave it any credibility, and therefore never bothered to familiarise myself with the details.
Liar. You believed it the very first day you heard it.
Hmmm? Interesting response. :ugeek:
I take this as yet another sign of a deeply delusional mind-set that is attached to 'holocaust' belief.

Here the 'believer' thinks they know and can read the minds of others.
The reality is that for all my life since hearing of this so-called ‘blood libel’, I naively accepted the ad hominem attack that only anti-semites believed it.
For example I was dismayed to hear Dermot Mulqueen bring it up in conversation with David Baddiel, as I thought that proved him to be a simple-minded person who believed OBVIOUSLY false, anti-semitic libels.
First of all my mind-set is not attached to any 'belief' system in respect of the Holocaust. My understanding of what happened during the Holocaust is based on the available evidence and the fact that any other scenario other than mass gassings, exterminations, cremations etc would be virtually impossible.

So it appears you still thought the 'blood-libel' accusation was a load of rubbish up until you watched the Baddiel documentary but in the space of a few weeks you now believe it is true, yes ?



been-there wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:11 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
Or if not then the day after you took up denying the Holocaust.
Here is another sign that 'believers' of this narrative are unable to approach the topic reasonably and intelligently. As the truth is I don't "deny" the holocaust. Much of what history currently believes happened to Jews during WW2 I accept without question. It is only certain of the details plus the alleged scale of the mass-gassing allegation that I question.
So in reality I am not "denying" anything. The sad irony is that it is aggressive, hate-filled 'faith-filled believers' like Lupus who are in denial of what exactly is being questioned. Sad really. :?
When I say you 'deny the Holocaust' I would have expected you by now to have developed an understanding of precisely what components of this historical event I am referring to, ie existence of homicidal gas chambers and gas vans, along with mass extermination of European Jewry . So don't waste any more time waffling about unnecessary definitions.
been-there wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:11 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
You want it to be true , admit it ?
Again another sign of hate-motivated self-delusion.
This person still appears to believe he can read minds of people thousands of miles away from him, and deludedly maintains he can know the thoughts of others better than they themselves do. So, a sign of arrogant self-delusion.
The reality is that I still hope to find that it is untrue in all but the few cases for which there appears to be credible and overwhelming evidence.
Well I wish you luck, however my worry is that due to the flawed reasoning you have adopted into arriving at conclusions in respect of the Holocaust, you will only repeat the same mistakes when assessing the evidence regarding your new assignment .
been-there wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:11 pm
Lupus Rothstein wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:03 pm
I wonder, what levels of "empirical evidence" do we have for this one ? :lol: :lol:
“...levels of 'empirical evidence'??!!!” Oh boy!
“Levels”???? :roll:
So — to end — we have here further evidence of a 'believer' who still has not understood what "empirical evidence" means, nor the relevance of empirical evidence in accurately assessing the compulsory and 'thought-crime' protected 'holocaust' pseudo-historical narrative.

The facts remain that the currently known empirical evidence unequivocally REFUTES certain details of the mass-gassing claim at certain of the alleged locations. I.e. applying the empirical paradigm to the 'holocaust' story shows it to be false and physically impossible in certain particulars.

Whereas there is no empirical evidence that refutes the salient points in the alleged cases of Jewish ritual murder.
This seems an obvious distinction.

The problem as usual is that 'believers' of the holocaust narrative — and now this Jewish ritual murder allegation — do not understand 'empiricism' nor even the basics of what is being discussed.

The bottom line is that the vast majority of people defending this narrative are unaware of their own intellectual limitations in discussing it.
As was pointed out to Jeff recently by Blake, elsewhere.

The problem is explained by Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
Interesting how you ignore the incriminating evidence that proves the existence of gas chambers/gas vans, while relying solely on your belief that 'empirical evidence' exists that refutes the likelihood of their existence and use. :? I suspect you are still relying on the same old already-debunked claims made by the usual suspects from the past 40 years to prop up this belief, without investigating the counter arguments made by the historians/researchers that adequately provide the answers/explanations to these 'issues' .

I have highlighted the sentence that contains the key to where you are going wrong. You appear to believe certain aspects or events of the gassing procedure to be 'impossible' . Maybe you could provide a few brief details of these 'impossibilities' , and we'll take it from there.

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Jeffk1970 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:50 am
The jury heard the evidence. They acquitted the Jewish man.
And? Juries and cops get things wrong all the time. You have no point.
Now, I realize that you need to believe in this. It goes to your need to believe in weird shit. That’s OK, contained on this forum it’s alright. The problem is when this whackadoodle crap goes public it can make a someone with a broken brain go shoot up a synagogue. Then innocent people die.
Speech kills people. So kill the first amendment in America and create hate crime laws in Canada, England, Australia, etc. You're such a simpleton. It's actually guns in the hands of violent criminals that are the problem.

Your attempt to connect the blood libel belief to a synagogue shooting (which one?) and therefore poison the well to somehow 'prove' that every case was an anti-semitic mistake or lie, and that therefore only Jews can talk about it on open public as a libel, is such an abuse of logic and philosophy that I don't know where to begin. So I won't even try. If you want to play that game, I could just as well say that conspiracy theory haters like you who slag off conspiracy theories that EXONERATE Jews from being the top of the conspiracy pyramid, are preventing these theories from being spread further and are therefore putting Jews in danger with your apathy. With enough people like you poo-pooing anti-anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, you're helping to ensure that more people fall into the trap of "jews run it all." So if blood is on my hands, then it must be on yours too.

Since I'm smarter than you, I'm not going that kind of route. That's your job, silly. :lol:
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Jeffk1970 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:55 am
Here’s Werd’s deal: He believes in really weird things because something in his brain broke.
And here goes Jeff once again slagging off the many competent and excellent Jewish authors I have read that appear in this list of books from my personal library
Jeffk1970 wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 4:58 am
been-there wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:40 am
I came across an article reviewing a recently published book on the subject. The book is called ‘Blood Libel’ by Magda Teter, published this year 2020.

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Another book you aren’t going to bother to read?

As a weird coincidence I came across that book tonight. I’m considering buying it.
I may buy the book as well. But only for a good laugh. Although you should be aware of how a journalist of one of those articlesr basically lied through their teeth when they claimed Cardinal Ganganelli did what he could to disprove the blood libel. DID YOU MISS THIS POST OF MINE FROM BEFORE, JEFF?
Werd wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:25 pm
An early Catholic leader who combated the blood libel was Cardinal Lorenzo Ganganelli, whose efforts bore fruit generations after his death, wrote Teter.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/myth-of-j ... ood-libel/
AHAHAHA! Ganganelli affirmed the truth of the St. Simon of Trent case. :lol:
You can read his statement in Samuel Roth's book THE RITUAL MURDER LIBEL AND THE JEW. You can also read Cardinal Ganganelli's statement quoted in Arnold Leese's little book.
Because Ganganelli admitted that Simon of Trent was in fact ritually murdered. And also the German boy Anderl von Rinn. He tried to DISPROVE the blood libel, and he couldn't in the Simon of Trent case and in the other case:
Arnold Leese. My Irrelevant Defense.

Pope Clement XIV, who wrote his report on the investigation he made into the matter of Jewish Ritual Murder when, as Cardinal Ganganelli, he had been commissioned by Pope Benedict XIV to go into the matter; and in this report, he says "I admit the truth of another fact, which happened in the year 1462 in the village of Rinn, in the Diocese of Brixen, in the person of the Blessed Andreas, a boy barbarously murdered by the Jews in hatred of the faith of Jesus Christ." No one questions the historical occurrence or this case. An engraving on wood representing the Ritual Murder still exists in the church.
And another quote.
Arnold Leese. My Irrelevant Defense.

In 1759 in answer to a Jewish appeal from Poland, the Inquisition sent Cardinal Ganganelli (later he became Pope Clement XIV) to investigate and report on the whole subject, with particular reference to the many cases then being reported in Poland; although this man went out with a biased mind in favour of the Jews (in his report, he says: "With my weak faculties I endevoured to demonstrate the non-existence of the crime which was imputed to the Jewish nation in Poland," hardly the spirit in which to enter upon such an investigation, he actually says of this Trent case (see Report of Cardinal Ganganelli, in C. Roth's The Ritual Murder Libel and the Jew, 1935, p. 83): "I admit then as true the fact of the Blessed Simon, a boy three years old,
killed by the Jews in Trent in the year 1475 in hatred of the faith of Jesus Christ (although it is disputed by Basnage and Wagenseil); for the celebrated Flaminio Cornaro, a Venetian Senator, in his work On the Cult of the Child St. Simon of Trent (Venice, 1753) disposes of all the doubts raised by the above-mentioned critics."

The Jews try to throw discredit on the judges who condemned the Jewish murderers by quoting Pope Sixtus IV who refused to sanction the cult of St.
Simon; but the reason for this was that the cult was not then authorised by Rome, but was a popular movement without authority and contrary to Church
discipline; this same Pope later expressed his approval of the verdict on the Jews in the Papal Bull XII Kal. July, 1478.
To Magda's credit, she mentions Ganganelli's belief that Trent and Rinn were authentic on page 11 of her book. But in the epilogue she also cites many papal bulls that claim the blood libel is just that; a libel. So what? I wonder if she will bother to look into how the Jews bought up Richard Burton's unpublished manuscript about the Father Thomas case from Damascus in 1840 and locked it away in the archives of the Board of Deputies of British Jews. I wonder if she, a modern philo-semitic scholar will finally have an answer to Arnold Leese about the Damascus case:
Further, the wretches confessed to serving Father Thomas's servant in the same way, i.e., cutting his throat, collecting his blood, and disposing of the remains, this time in a latrine. No amount of bastinado or torture could wring from an innocent man information as to the whereabouts of the remains of the victim of a murder.

You know, with Maurice Samuel lying about the Russian transcripts in the Mendel Beilis case, with David Maddison lying about how many heads wounds Andreas Youshinsky had, it really doesn't look good if Jews have to continually lie and twist things in order to make their case that no ritual murder was ever factual. It makes them look like they are trying to hide something. Doesn't Occam's Razor dictate that journalists who actually want to seek the truth and nothing but the truth wouldn't lie or leave things out?

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Werd wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:41 am

The jury heard the evidence. They acquitted the Jewish man.

And? Juries and cops get things wrong all the time. You have no point.
Sure I do. They heard the evidence and decided he was innocent. I realize this is difficult for someone who needs to believe in this stuff like you do. You desperately need to believe in weird shit to make sense of the universe. You aren’t the only one. Lots of people are batshit crazy. Trust me, I know. I have a Twitter account.

Now, I realize that you need to believe in this. It goes to your need to believe in weird shit. That’s OK, contained on this forum it’s alright. The problem is when this whackadoodle crap goes public it can make a someone with a broken brain go shoot up a synagogue. Then innocent people die.
Speech kills people.
It certainly can, yes.
So kill the first amendment in America and create hate crime laws in Canada, England, Australia, etc. You're such a simpleton. It's actually guns in the hands of violent criminals that are the problem.
Like people that shoot up mosques? Or schools? Or daycare centers? Synagogues? Concerts?

Simpleton? OK. Well, at least I know Hitler wasn’t a British agent. Or spin fantastic conspiracy theories to explain a murder. Or believe in lizard people from Uranus.
Your attempt to connect the blood libel belief to a synagogue shooting (which one?)
Are you sure that’s what I did? Actually what my point is that when you spread this crazy crap around it encourages certain people to associate this sort of thing with Jews. It’s the same thing when you spread other stereotypes about Jews that can encourage this type of attack.
and therefore poison the well to somehow 'prove' that every case was an anti-semitic mistake or lie,
Actually it’s you that feels a compulsion to prove that a child murder from over a hundred years ago was a ritual killing. I’m certainly not going to say at no time did a Jew commit a murder, much less never murder a child. But as part of a ritual relating to a sect of Judaism? Not hardly.
and that therefore only Jews can talk about it on open public as a libel,


It is certainly a matter of concern for them. That is understandable.
is such an abuse of logic and philosophy that I don't know where to begin.
Well, Werd, it’s such an odd thing to discuss, this idea that Jewish people murder children as part of their religion. But I guess it’s no different than any whacked out conspiracy that exists.
So I won't even try. If you want to play that game, I could just as well say that conspiracy theory haters like you who slag off conspiracy theories that EXONERATE Jews from being the top of the conspiracy pyramid, are preventing these theories from being spread further and are therefore putting Jews in danger with your apathy. With enough people like you poo-pooing anti-anti-Jewish conspiracy theories, you're helping to ensure that more people fall into the trap of "jews run it all." So if blood is on my hands, then it must be on yours too.
That makes no sense.
Since I'm smarter than you, I'm not going that kind of route. That's your job, silly. :lol:
No, Werd, you are crazier than I am. You are mistaking your tortured need to turn to conspiracies to make the universe make sense to you as intelligence. That’s a flaw, not a positive.

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Jeffk1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 am
They heard the evidence and decided he was innocent.
All said it was ritual murder. Half said it was Mendel.
Speech kills people.
It certainly can, yes.
:roll:
Literally, no it doesn't. You're thinking of automatic weapons.
Well, at least I know Hitler wasn’t a British agent.
Wrong again. Consult Greg Hallett and Henry Makow (Jew).
I’m certainly not going to say at no time did a Jew commit a murder, much less never murder a child. But as part of a ritual relating to a sect of Judaism? Not hardly.
Then you don't know the Talmud, the Kabbalah, and any other esoteric strain of Judaism. You certainly don't know about the occult, magical rites, and the special place of blood in magic and why evil magic requires shedding the blood of the innocent. As I said, this is something that permeates all western religions in a very hidden section of each one.
Werd, it’s such an odd thing to discuss, this idea that Jewish people murder children as part of their religion.
Again, you refuse to deal in specifics. The phrase "Jews" can mean any Jew. But the fact is that even open anti semites like Arnold Leese have claimed that ONLY A SELECT OCCULT, BLACK MAGIC SECT WITHIN HASIDISM is guilty of this. Now did this FACT get overlooked by some people and probably result in some false accusations against Jews? OF COURSE! NOBODY IS DENYING THIS! What I am saying is that there is specific evidence of Hasidic Jews and Hasidic Jews ALONE being guilty of blood rites.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:39 am
Werd wrote:
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:44 am

Here’s Werd’s deal: He believes in really weird things because something in his brain broke.

And here goes Jeff once again slagging off the many competent and excellent Jewish authors I have read that appear in this list of books from my personal library
Jews can be batshit crazy, Werd. I know. I follow Gilad Atzmon on Twitter and I’ve read Ron Unz.
I'm not talking about those guys. They aren't on my list. I'm talking about Barry Chamish, Sherman Skolnick, Marvin Antelman.
I could just as well say that conspiracy theory haters like you who slag off conspiracy theories that EXONERATE Jews from being the top of the conspiracy pyramid, are preventing these theories from being spread further and are therefore putting Jews in danger with your apathy.
That makes no sense.
Actually it does. This is me being sarcastic to show you how stupid your regressive liberal (possibly communist) idea is that speech kills.
With enough people like you poo-pooing anti-anti-Jewish conspiracy theories,
And getting others to mock them, thus preventing them from catching on to more people, who otherwise may have been Jew haters, but now know better...
you're helping to ensure that more people fall into the trap of "jews run it all."
And according to your own logic speech kills, but therefore so does ignorance which often underlies the hate speech that kills.
So if blood is on my hands,
Because of what I may say...
then it must be on yours too.
Because of how your behaviour stops the circulation of theories that would insulate Jews from hatred and possibly synagogue shootings.

As I said, if you want to reduce this to communist idiocy where speech kills (when it literally doesn't), then I can also say that preventing beneficial speech from reaching more people is also putting Jews in danger. We can play this game all you want. Or we can stop. I can withdraw my sardonic behaviour, and you can modify your obviously warped communist views about fictional "hate speech." :roll:

Your pragmatic idea is to limit free speech because you think it will protect Jews, whereas people who previously never had a problem with Jews will see them or their shabbos goys attacking America's first amendment and Canada's constitution, etc and then they WILL have a problem with Jews. Trapping Jews in a self fulfilling prophecy like this only continues the vicious circle. Breaking it requires a new paradigm. A new way of looking at things. A conspiracy world view which places Jews NOT AT THE TOP and shows who the REAL MASTERS ARE. The REAL REMEDY to save free speech AND Jews from taking false blame for being atop the conspiracy pyramid exists. It's the conspiracy paradigm I subscribe to. Therefore, people who claim to be friends of Jews, shouldn't be so quick to dismiss it and tell others to dismiss it.

As I said, you're too ignorant to understand. Hence, I had to spell it out for you once again.
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Re: The Jewish Ritual Murder of Andreas Youshinsky.

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Jeffk1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 am
...I’m certainly not going to say at no time did a Jew commit a murder, much less never murder a child. But as part of a ritual relating to a sect of Judaism? Not hardly.
Why not? Mayans and Aztec tribes apparently did it.
Certain African tribes did that and still do that.
Sacrificing living creatures and doing wierd things with the blood has been a central part of Judaic ritual worship for millenia.
Human sacrifice is not alien to the Judaic world-view. Have you not heard about the Judaic tradition of their prophet and founder Abraham preparing to sacrifice his only son Isaac?
Don't you know about the passover ritual predicated upon smearing sacrificial blood on the doors of their houses to avoid the wrath of their deity?
Why is it so beyond the realms of physical possibility in your world view that some Hasidic Jewish sect would do that with blood from 'sacrificed' goyim (which refers to non-jews and means 'cattle')?

Jeffk1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 am
They heard the evidence and decided he was innocent.
:roll: Yeah, but "they heard the evidence" and concluded it WAS a case of ritual murder!! Why are you denying that part???!

The March 2006 issue (No. 9/160) of the Ukrainian Personnel Plus magazine published an article — Murder is unveiled, the murderer is unknown? — which revived and repeated the understanding that the Beilis Trial jury had recognized the case as ritual murder by persons unknown, even though it had found Beilis himself not guilty.

Ignorance of these things was acceptable and might explain your approach to this subject initially.
But you have been repeatedly informed now. Plus with references for you to make your own investigation of the details and reach a better informed conclusion.
So ignorance is neither any longer a valid excuse, nor is your reality now. Instead you appear to be in a self-induced state of stubborn and willful ignorance: which is called denial.
Jeffk1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 am
...it’s such an odd thing to discuss, this idea that Jewish people murder children as part of their religion.
See above.

Jeffk1970 wrote:
Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:39 am
Jews can be batshit crazy, Werd. I know.
Why then can you not consider the possibility of some Jewish sect doing batshit crazy ritualised murder for some wierd religious blood ritual?
"When people who are honestly mistaken learn the truth,
they either cease being mistaken
or they cease being honest"
-- Anonymous

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