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Been There infers that the Zapruder, Nix, and other films and photos have been "altered" by either the CIA or some other nefarious entity to hide at least one fact that Officer Chaney was ahead of JFK when he was shot. One question is "WHY?" Why would it have been necessary to go through all that trouble to hide that fact?

I contend it would have been totally unnecessary to hide the locations of Officer Chaney. The idea that "they" went through all that trouble is absurd on the face it. But Been There insists "alterations" occurred.

Let's look at what Been There has posted:
Been There wrote:
Officer Chaney wrote:“We had proceeded west on Elm Street at approximately 15-20 miles per hour. We heard the first shot. I thought it was a motorcycle backfiring and uh, I looked back over to my left and also President Kennedy looked back over his left shoulder. Then, the, uh, second shot came. Well, then I looked back just in time to see the President struck in the face by the second bullet. He slumped forward into Mrs. Kennedy’s lap, and uh, it was apparent to me that we were being fired upon. I went ahead of the President’s car to inform Chief Curry that the President had been hit. And then he instructed us over the air to take him to Parkland Hospital and he had Parkland Hospital stand by. I went on up ahead of the, to notify the officers that were leading the escort that he had been hit and we're gonna have to move out.”
Here Ofc. Chaney talks about the shots but he claims it was the second shot that hit JFK in the head apparently. Officer Chaney then describes moving ahead of the JFK limo to notify Chief Curry, who was in the Lead Car ahead, that "... he [JFK] had been hit..."

Okay... that's what Chaney said according to Been There's post.

Then we have this from Been There (my emphasis):
BT Post wrote:24th November 1963 article in the Houston Chronicle:


"A motorcycle policeman just six feet from President Kennedy when he was hit said the assassin's first shot missed entirely. The second of the three shots felled Kennedy, said patrolman James M. Chaney. He was six feet to the right and front of the President's car, moving about 15 miles an hour while rounding a curve. The shot, said Chaney, came from the sixth floor of a warehouse building about 50 feet or less behind the President's car. From the sixth floor to the President, the bullet traveled about 110 feet, Chaney estimated. Chaney was an infantryman in Europe during World War II, with experience in sharpshooting. 'When the first shot was fired, I thought it was a backfire,' Chaney said. Everyone looked around. The President was looking back over his left shoulder. A second or two after the first shot, the second shot hit him. 'It was like you hit him in the face with a tomato. Blood went all over the car. There was screaming and yelling. A secret service man yelled 'Let's get out of here!'' Chaney said the motorcade stopped momentarily after the shots rang out. A policeman ran between two cars with his pistol drawn, heading toward the building. 'I sped to the lead car carrying Chief (Jesse) Curry and Forrest Sorrels, chief of the secret service division of the Treasury Department in the Dallas area. I told them the President had been hit and it appeared bad,' Chaney said.
Here the article states that Ofc. Chaney said the first shot missed. Then he goes on, according to the article, to say that the second shot hit him in the head. Officer Chaney does NOT make it clear about which shot hit JFK in the back but he does state there were THREE shots.

As far as being "AHEAD" of JFK he states that he was ahead of him "... while rounding a curve."
That seems plausible while they were turning off of Houston Street onto Elm. No need to engage in a dispute of that. But did Officer Chaney really "... go ahead of the President's car to inform Chief Curry..."? We shall see...

The article states that Ofc. Chaney said; "... the motorcade stopped momentarily after the shots rang out."
What isn't clear is whether that included JFK's limo or just the rest of the motorcade vehicles behind him. So no definitive information here.

Been There then states:
He has been captured on film looking over his left shoulder.
It does.
It looks like he is looking at JFK, because he had heard a shot.
It may "... looks like he is looking at JFK..." to some people but not necessarily so. The foreshortening is due to the lens and focus setting in the Altgens #6 photo and Ofc. Chaney may be looking somewhere entirely behind the JFK limo and not AT JFK.
Oh, and guess what, he precisely stated exactly that in filmed interview immediately after the assassination. He stated he had looked left at JFK.
At some point he may have looked "LEFT" at JFK. JFK was, of course, to his "left", but ahead of Ofc. Chaney.

It's rather certain that Officer Chaney sped ahead to inform Chief Curry of what happened so we need to look at what Officer Chaney said to Chief Curry according to Mr. Curry and Mr. Sorrel:

Forrest Sorrel states:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sorrels1.htm
Mr. STERN - Now, did you recognize it at the time as a shot?
Mr. SORRELS - I felt it was, because it was too sharp for a backfire of an automobile. And, to me, it appeared a little bit too loud

for a firecracker.
I just said, "What's that?" And turned around to look up on this terrace part there, because the sound sounded like it came from the back and up in that direction. At that time, I did not look back up to the building, because it was way back in the back.
Within about 3 seconds, there were two more similar reports. And I said, "Let's get out of here" and looked back, all the way back, then, to where the President's car was, and I saw some confusion, movement there, and the car just seemed to lunch forward.
And, in the meantime, a motorcycle officer had run up on the right-hand side and the chief yelled to him, "Anybody hurt?"
He said, "Yes."
So Mr. Sorrel says the Officer said "Yes" to the inquiry if anyone was hurt by Chief Curry.

Chief Curry:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/curry2.htm
I heard a sharp report. We were near the railroad yards at this time, and I didn't know--I didn't know exactly where this report came from, whether it was above us or where, but this was followed by two more reports, and at that time I looked in my rear view mirror and I saw some commotion in the President's caravan and realized that probably something was wrong, and it seemed to be speeding up, and about this time a motorcycle officer, I believe it was Officer Chaney rode up beside us and I asked if something happened back there and he said, "Yes," and I said, "Has somebody been shot?" And he said, "I think so."
So here we can see a story slightly deviating from person to person. But in this case not significantly so but a difference all the same.

We have seen the Zapruder film and the Nix film. No where in either of these films does Officer Chaney proceed ahead of JFK ANYWHERE on Elm Street. But Been There infers these films have been altered to not show Ofc. Chaney EVER ahead of JFK.
But the issue here is whether Officer Chaney went AHEAD of the JFK Limo on Elm Street to notify Chief Curry of the shootings.

To further evidence that Officer Chaney NEVER proceeded ahead of the JFK limo we can look at the Bell Film. In this version of the Bell film at time stamp time stamp 00:40:00 to 00:46:00 and a repeat at time stamp 2:22 to 2:36 we can see the JFK limo zooming ahead towards and through the underpass to pass the Lead Car containing Chief Curry and Forrest Sorrel with Officer Chaney following a bit of a ways behind. We get an extra shot towards the underpass in this particular version at time stamp 1:15. We can also see three officers up ahead of the Lead Car past the underpass.



The following photo, shot by Altgens... I believe photo #7, is shown here to verify the location of the JFK limo, the Lead Car and with Ofc. Chaney not anywhere between the two at this particular point in time:

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THEN, from the other side of the underpass, we have the Daniels Film. In this film we can see the JFK limo zooming up to and passing the Lead Car on its way to Parkland. Officer Chaney can be seen coming up on the right (the left side of the road) BEHIND the JFK limo and the Lead Car. The film speaks for itself as to where Ofc. Chaney was in relation to the JFK limo during this time frame:



AND... just a little bit later, we have the McIntyre photograph. This photo shows the three motorcycle officers seen in the Bell film, the JFK limo and the Lead Car containing Chief Curry and Forrest Sorrel. It can also be seen in this photo is Officer Chaney, with lights on and to the right on Elm in the photo, hurrying to catch up to the Lead Car to inform Chief Curry of the situation. Also can be seen is Officer Jackson, lights off and to the left, proceeding to join Officer Chaney.

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Any RATIONAL person can view this evidence, and other information available online, and determine the whereabouts of Officer Chaney in this time frame of events. In some cases the "BEST EVIDENCE", the films and photos, verifies Officer Chaney's story and also, in some portions, disputes his version. Understandable.

CONCLUSION: OFFICER CHANEY WAS NEVER POSITIONED AHEAD OF JFK ALONG ELM STREET.

... and there was no need for any nefarious entity to modify ALL those films and photos to hide anything.
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Thanks for that Rollo!
My issue right now that may be worth mentioning is that 'Final Judgment by Piper, isn't available from any library in Canada apparently. My local library has done a search on their inter-library loan system and it's pretty thorough. I've asked them to purchase the book because they do that for people requesting some books. So far there has been no response and so I suspect it won't happen.

The point being, it appears that book has been completely banned from Canada. I wonder why and whether the ban could be warranted or not. If anybody has read it, comments would be appreciated. Also, if anything is availabe online then I would appreciate a link?

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montgomery2 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm
Thanks for that Rollo!
My issue right now that may be worth mentioning is that 'Final Judgment by Piper, isn't available from any library in Canada apparently. My local library has done a search on their inter-library loan system and it's pretty thorough. I've asked them to purchase the book because they do that for people requesting some books. So far there has been no response and so I suspect it won't happen.

The point being, it appears that book has been completely banned from Canada. I wonder why and whether the ban could be warranted or not. If anybody has read it, comments would be appreciated. Also, if anything is availabe online then I would appreciate a link?
It's online here.

I have 2 different versions of it myself in pdf. I don't know which one the Unz link has - probably the newest.

Just google for something like "final judgement piper". Plenty of links to downloads.

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blake121666 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:24 pm
montgomery2 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm
Thanks for that Rollo!
My issue right now that may be worth mentioning is that 'Final Judgment by Piper, isn't available from any library in Canada apparently. My local library has done a search on their inter-library loan system and it's pretty thorough. I've asked them to purchase the book because they do that for people requesting some books. So far there has been no response and so I suspect it won't happen.

The point being, it appears that book has been completely banned from Canada. I wonder why and whether the ban could be warranted or not. If anybody has read it, comments would be appreciated. Also, if anything is availabe online then I would appreciate a link?
It's online here.

I have 2 different versions of it myself in pdf. I don't know which one the Unz link has - probably the newest.

Just google for something like "final judgement piper". Plenty of links to downloads.
Thanks blake. I guess that will have to do for now. I'll try to read one of the most pertinent chapters to begin with. Any ideas which one is the best?

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montgomery2 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:53 pm
blake121666 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:24 pm
montgomery2 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm
Thanks for that Rollo!
My issue right now that may be worth mentioning is that 'Final Judgment by Piper, isn't available from any library in Canada apparently. My local library has done a search on their inter-library loan system and it's pretty thorough. I've asked them to purchase the book because they do that for people requesting some books. So far there has been no response and so I suspect it won't happen.

The point being, it appears that book has been completely banned from Canada. I wonder why and whether the ban could be warranted or not. If anybody has read it, comments would be appreciated. Also, if anything is availabe online then I would appreciate a link?
It's online here.

I have 2 different versions of it myself in pdf. I don't know which one the Unz link has - probably the newest.

Just google for something like "final judgement piper". Plenty of links to downloads.
Thanks blake. I guess that will have to do for now. I'll try to read one of the most pertinent chapters to begin with. Any ideas which one is the best?
I honestly don't remember much of the book. I myself have only read parts iirc. I've only dabbled in the JFK assassination. Scanning through what has been brought up here, there appears to be much more to consider than I've taken the time to even superficially digest. It looks like a lotta work which I'm not inclined to put in. I claim neutrality on the matter - as I do for 9/11 as well. I USED to assume false flag in THAT from the moment it happened; but I have shifted towards a more neutral middle on that just very recently (from that other thread as a matter of fact).

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Thanks for your help on that book!

On staying neutral on 911, are you saying that you're neutral on the official government story of it being solely caused by the aircraft?

If not then I'm interested in your possible alternative conspiracy theory.

I maintain that a person either accepts the government's facts or they don't and pretending to be neutral isn't good enough. But of course you haven't stated what remaining neutral is supposed to mean to you yet?

So I'll offer: You have doubts about the aircraft doing all the damage?

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rollo the ganger wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:33 pm
REDIRECTED FROM HERE:

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Been There infers that the Zapruder, Nix, and other films and photos have been "altered" by either the CIA or some other nefarious entity to hide at least one fact that Officer Chaney was ahead of JFK when he was shot.
This is so idiotic, I confess to being quite suprised at the extent this person will go to protect his delusions.

So just for the record, I have never suggested that anybody OTHER than the CiA manipulated the films.
AND I have never suggested that that manipulations were done to hide the movements of Chaney. Nor do I believe that.

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montgomery2 wrote:
Sat Oct 27, 2018 2:19 pm
Thanks for that Rollo!
My issue right now that may be worth mentioning is that 'Final Judgment by Piper, isn't available from any library in Canada apparently. My local library has done a search on their inter-library loan system and it's pretty thorough. I've asked them to purchase the book because they do that for people requesting some books. So far there has been no response and so I suspect it won't happen.

The point being, it appears that book has been completely banned from Canada. I wonder why and whether the ban could be warranted or not. If anybody has read it, comments would be appreciated. Also, if anything is availabe online then I would appreciate a link?
This post has a summarisation by Michael Collins Piper of his own book.

This post contains a couple of the many endorsements of Piper's research exposing the Jewish state's central role in the JFK assassination.

In this post is a link to a video of a lecture where Piper deals with the 'holocaust denier' allegation made against him intended to discredit his research, as well as containing him giving more info on the Israeli/Mossad/Jewish mafia connections/involvement in the JFK assassination.

This post has my own short overview of how the JFK assassinstion fits in with other world events from history.

Conclusion: Michael Collins Piper, Vananu and the people who extolled their evidence are correct: Israel, Mossad and pro-Israeli Jews in America and elsehwere orchestrated the assassination of JFK.

And pro-Israeli Jews have been and still are pre-eminent in the worldwide misinformation campaign and the cover-up of that.

Here is a link to an downloadable online PDF of his book FINAL JUDGEMENT:
https://archive.org/details/FinalJudgme ... 05/page/n1

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Again, I don't see how anybody benefits from the Kennedy assassination, nor any kind of coverup, beyond Oswald acting alone.

Vice President Johnson benefitted because as President he was able to ram through Kennedy's Liberal legislation on the coattails of Jack's martyrdom.

But nobody could have predicted that exactly. People forget how savvy LBJ was with Congress and with Texas politics. As a Southerner who was ostensibly an old-school New Deal Democrat, Johnson was able to persuade Southern politicians who hated Nïggers to vote for Civil Rights to honor a slain Democrat. They sure as hell would not have done so while the effete, rich Yankee scion from Mahhss-ah-chu-setts were alive.

There is a very interesting film directed by Hollywood Liberal activist Rob Reiner (Meathead, Archie Bunker's Pollack son-in-law) about this transmission of power starring Woody Harrelson as LBJ. I think "Meathead's" point with the movie is how much water LBJ actually carried for JFK's legacy, even though he and Bobbie despised each other. Woody Harrelson was very convincing in the role. Jennifer Jason Leigh (from the '80s teen classic Fast Times at Ridgemont HIgh) played Ladybird and delivered a completely believable performance too.



Anyway, Liberalism went into a crisis after JFK's death that it never really recovered from, despite JFK's agenda largely being enacted, including the failures already baked into the cake like the Vietnam proxy war.

Then the Democratic Party disintegrated in 1968-72 and Republicans played the "Southern Strategy" card and White Democrats from the South changed parties. John Connolly was one of these but not after LBJ was finished, meaning almost dead. LBJ died in 1973. Until the Magic Negro, aka the Alinskyite "Community Organizer" from Chicago ran for President in 2008, it is no mystery why no Democrat had been elected President since 1964 unless it was a Southern cracker like Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton.

Despite Castro being an embarrassment during the Cold War, and Khrushchev being discredited for somebody worse, the situation was largely stabilized by the Kennedy Administration in 1962 with the Soviets agreeing not to plant missiles in Cuba and the U.S. secretly agreeing to remove Jupiter missiles from Turkey and not to invade Cuba.

Cuba never would have been a good candidate for JFK's ideal of a Proxy War to contain Communism because public sentiment--and nobody in the military--would have gone along with a counterinsurgency war so close to American shores. Even Central America with Zionist hijinks was out of the question as Reagan discovered in the 1980s with Iran-Contra.

In any case, a stabilized Cuban situation was compatible with Monroe Doctrine and it did not destabilize until the Carter/Reagan administrations when Castro was allowed to empty out his jails and the USA allowed in tens of thousands of "refugees" into Florida--the Mariel Boatlift."

"Gipper" Reagan ended up giving millions of Illegals Amnesty in 1986, and the problem has only mushroomed demographically, although Democrat politicians see these people as prime Voting Cattle since they will never vote for "White" interests over those of a Marxist Lumpenproletariat. Trump campaigned in 2016 specifically against Open Borders even if "some of them, I assume, are good people."

Really, some of these conspiracy-theories might seem a little less "occult" :mrgreen: (use a good dictionary here, m'kay) if one understands the history a little better. Marxist narratives have been peddled for so long that people just don't know any better, especially Americans.

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This is the "wink" photograph of LBJ receiving a wink from Congressman Albert Thomas after the swearing-in, the day John F Kennedy was murdered in Dallas. Both LBJ and Thomas were members of Suite 8F Group, the origins of a company today known as Kellogg, Brown & Root.

Jackie Kennedy tapes reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK

The secret tapes will show that the former first lady felt that her husband’s successor was at the heart of the plot to murder him. The tapes were recorded with leading historian Arthur Schlesinger Jnr within months of the assassination on November 22, 1963, and had been sealed in a vault at the Kennedy Library in Boston.
The then Mrs Kennedy had ordered that they should not be released until 50 years after her death, with some reports suggesting she feared that her revelations might make her family targets for revenge.

https://redice.tv/news/explosive-jackie ... killed-jfk
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