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Were 6 million Jews a construct or reality

6 million Jews real
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6 million Jews a construct
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Re: 6 Million Jews

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In the graph below one can see the fake jüdisch as given in the world almanac compiled by US Jude. Samuel Untermyer was the person in charge of this. This graph was done by myself taken from data publicly available. It was originally published here 'on the thread called Jüdische Statistik

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Untermyers fake data in yellow, does not comply with back extrapolated data from modern sources
I have used modern statistic and data to project jüdisch population two years in the future and extrapolated it back beyond 1955. The fact that the data is more or less linear gives a clear projection of the real jüdisch population prior to this. The starting point was also based on real data of 9.6 million Jude in the world. I have also included the "line of best fit" to demonstrate the linear nature of this population growth. There is no reason to suspect that the linear growth of the last 50 years could not be extrapolated back to previous years when statistical analysis was in its infancy and where data was somewhat limited. In 1950 there is a slight loss of Jude which may be war related or due to lack of conception due to WWI anomalies.
I believe this graph reflects the true growth of Jude over that time period.
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Probable Jude Population Statistics
rollo the ganger wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am
one would assume there would be masses of information and data on how this or these numbers were arrived at. Alas, we see a fog, a blur, noise. Are there no Holocaust "Scholars" out there trying to pin down the best estimate? So far we have the numbers of one dubious "census" compared to a later dubious "census" and the difference is declared the number murdered by the Nazis. What about the Jews who died actually fighting in combat or collateral deaths. And since all these deaths are being blamed on the Nazis, what of and how many Jews were killed by the "indigenous populations" in Eastern Europe?
It has been calculated about 1.2 million Jude perished through natural attrition and war related death due to typhus. What happened to Juden is a number of factors listed below:
  • Natural attrition due to old age and genetic factors which include
    Bloom syndrome. Babies with this disease are born small and remain shorter than normal as they grow. ...
    Canavan disease. ...
    Cystic fibrosis. ...
    Familial dysautonomia (FD). ...
    Fanconi anemia. ...
    Gaucher disease. ...
    Mucolipidosis IV. ...
    Niemann-Pick disease (type A).
    Tay-Sachs disease.
    Torsion dystonia.
    About 1 out of 4 people of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage is a carrier of one of these genetic conditions, most commonly of Gaucher disease, cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease, familial dysautonomia, or Canavan disease.
  • War related death especially Typhus, Cholera due to lack of food stolen by Kapos, allied bombing, lack of clean water as a result of allied bombing, overcrowding due to war.
  • Eviction from the Reich into Soviet territory (Poland) across the Bug and Sans rivers. It is thought the so called AR camps along that demarcation zone had something to do with this. About 2 million Jude entered the Soviet System.
  • Annexation by Soviets post war. Soviets took over most of Eastern Europe and its jüdisch population. Only they had knowledge of the Statistics and could and would feed to the west whatever they wanted in the "cold war" period. During the Cold War the National Socialists had to take the blame as the culpability of the Soviets would have been a propaganda tool to discredit the Soviet Union.
  • Pogroms. As written in other threads Juden in Soviet Occupied Poland denounced and collaborated with the NKVD resulting in the demise of the non Jewish population.
  • Revenge. The Baltic Polizei took revenge on many jüdisch Shtel due to perception of Bolshevik jüdisch atrocities.
  • Einsatzgruppen. Many jüdisch shtetl population were terrorists working for the Soviets to undermine and murder troops of the Heer. The Einsatgruppen with the help of Baltic Polizei had a task to remove these terrorists from the area.
  • Climate. The winter in the North during that period was apparently unusually harsh. The breakdown of infrastructure resulted in climate related conditions such as hypothermia and food shortages as well as lack of fresh water. This was mere survival conditions experienced by all not just juden

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Re: 6 Million Jews

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Nessie wrote:
Mon Sep 24, 2018 4:44 pm
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Ok, I know I come here like one month late, but whatever [I didn't have time before], my complain with this picture is you misunderstood the point. I was not too much in the Holocaust topic and its revisionism and so, but it's pretty obvious the original point tried to point an incoherence with that number by pointing out the 6M num was already very used in the past and was still being used even until the end of the WW2. It was like: «You used the 6M many times before, you expect me to believe you now?» kind of. You understand? It was pointing an incoherence with the 6M Jews supposedly being exterminated. By pointing 7M, 5M, 4M or 3M you are not removing the incoherence, you are making it more incoherent than before, you are giving more arguments to deniers.

The point with the supposed prophecy in Talmud... I don't know if its real or not. But for sure, you are not going to debunk it by just saying it's a fabrication just because yes.

“Holocaust is not a word invented by Jews” who said it was? I mean, It can be that someone could believe such a thing, but I don't think any serious person would believe that. And it's irrelevant to the point also.

“References to the word Holocaust before WW2 are utterely meaningless” Why? In the context deniers point out it seems very relevant, meaningless would be the other senses the word has acquired over the time.

“It's strange why anyone would do that” For you it's impossible that humans could conspire to achieve some goal? It has happened many times in the world, not just the elite, even normal people could conspire to achieve a goal. It's part of the human nature to work in team. Regardless of the reasons to do that. I mean, your picture itself has a cartoon of a nazi as a conspirator. For you that makes sense however.

I rather would say that newspapers are not relevant to decide if such an event happened or not, that it's a way better argument than a picture that copy the style of 4chan's pictures.

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Re: 6 Million Jews

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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Nov 02, 2019 4:12 pm
In the graph below one can see the fake jüdisch as given in the world almanac compiled by US Jude. Samuel Untermyer was the person in charge of this. This graph was done by myself taken from data publicly available. It was originally published here 'on the thread called Jüdische Statistik

Image
Untermyers fake data in yellow, does not comply with back extrapolated data from modern sources
I have used modern statistic and data to project jüdisch population two years in the future and extrapolated it back beyond 1955. The fact that the data is more or less linear gives a clear projection of the real jüdisch population prior to this. The starting point was also based on real data of 9.6 million Jude in the world. I have also included the "line of best fit" to demonstrate the linear nature of this population growth. There is no reason to suspect that the linear growth of the last 50 years could not be extrapolated back to previous years when statistical analysis was in its infancy and where data was somewhat limited. In 1950 there is a slight loss of Jude which may be war related or due to lack of conception due to WWI anomalies.
I believe this graph reflects the true growth of Jude over that time period.
Image
Probable Jude Population Statistics
rollo the ganger wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2019 9:30 am
one would assume there would be masses of information and data on how this or these numbers were arrived at. Alas, we see a fog, a blur, noise. Are there no Holocaust "Scholars" out there trying to pin down the best estimate? So far we have the numbers of one dubious "census" compared to a later dubious "census" and the difference is declared the number murdered by the Nazis. What about the Jews who died actually fighting in combat or collateral deaths. And since all these deaths are being blamed on the Nazis, what of and how many Jews were killed by the "indigenous populations" in Eastern Europe?
It has been calculated about 1.2 million Jude perished through natural attrition and war related death due to typhus. What happened to Juden is a number of factors listed below:
  • Natural attrition due to old age and genetic factors which include
    Bloom syndrome. Babies with this disease are born small and remain shorter than normal as they grow. ...
    Canavan disease. ...
    Cystic fibrosis. ...
    Familial dysautonomia (FD). ...
    Fanconi anemia. ...
    Gaucher disease. ...
    Mucolipidosis IV. ...
    Niemann-Pick disease (type A).
    Tay-Sachs disease.
    Torsion dystonia.
    About 1 out of 4 people of Ashkenazi Jewish heritage is a carrier of one of these genetic conditions, most commonly of Gaucher disease, cystic fibrosis, Tay-Sachs disease, familial dysautonomia, or Canavan disease.
  • War related death especially Typhus, Cholera due to lack of food stolen by Kapos, allied bombing, lack of clean water as a result of allied bombing, overcrowding due to war.
  • Eviction from the Reich into Soviet territory (Poland) across the Bug and Sans rivers. It is thought the so called AR camps along that demarcation zone had something to do with this. About 2 million Jude entered the Soviet System.
  • Annexation by Soviets post war. Soviets took over most of Eastern Europe and its jüdisch population. Only they had knowledge of the Statistics and could and would feed to the west whatever they wanted in the "cold war" period. During the Cold War the National Socialists had to take the blame as the culpability of the Soviets would have been a propaganda tool to discredit the Soviet Union.
  • Pogroms. As written in other threads Juden in Soviet Occupied Poland denounced and collaborated with the NKVD resulting in the demise of the non Jewish population.
  • Revenge. The Baltic Polizei took revenge on many jüdisch Shtel due to perception of Bolshevik jüdisch atrocities.
  • Einsatzgruppen. Many jüdisch shtetl population were terrorists working for the Soviets to undermine and murder troops of the Heer. The Einsatgruppen with the help of Baltic Polizei had a task to remove these terrorists from the area.
  • Climate. The winter in the North during that period was apparently unusually harsh. The breakdown of infrastructure resulted in climate related conditions such as hypothermia and food shortages as well as lack of fresh water. This was mere survival conditions experienced by all not just juden
On the other side, I just want to say I wouldn't take in count things like population growth. Why? Because it's literally meaningless, for example: Botswana, in the 90's, was hard hit by AIDS, it's life expectancy decreased from
63 to 49 years, and its death rate duplicated, but the population increased all the years.

[Tweet in Spanish, don't have it in count, I'm saying basically the same the user is saying there]

It's meaningless, especially having in count that the population statistic goes by decade or things like that, of which the supposed tragedy just occupies 2 years.

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Re: 6 Million Jews

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ArcarozX wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:20 am
On the other side, I just want to say I wouldn't take in count things like population growth. Why? Because it's literally meaningless, for example: Botswana, in the 90's, was hard hit by AIDS, it's life expectancy decreased from
63 to 49 years, and its death rate duplicated, but the population increased all the years.

[Tweet in Spanish, don't have it in count, I'm saying basically the same the user is saying there]

It's meaningless, especially having in count that the population statistic goes by decade or things like that, of which the supposed tragedy just occupies 2 years.
When modern data is extrapolated back it is possible to see with a good deal of certainty what the population at the time most likely was. It is also possible to compare and contrast the population growth as suggested by the US jude Untermyer which if following the same trend as in yellow would give a population today of about 60 million. This shows reasonably clearly how the figures by Untermyer were fabricated to support the loss he claims.

It is far from meaningless unless the modern figures are somehow incorrect. It would seem that the Untermyer figures were deliberated faked.

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Re: 6 Million Jews

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Note the silence of the Believers on this matter. They avoid technical issues like this and prefer to chant their mantra of "Where's the evidence?" etc., etc., etc.

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ArcarozX wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:20 am
It's meaningless, especially having in count that the population statistic goes by decade or things like that, of which the supposed tragedy just occupies 2 years.
When a population increases 1.9 million worldwide in 50 years and the data shows that the mean 10 yearly growth is 0.38 million which extrapolated back also reaches the well estimated value with statistical parameters 50 years prior to that, one can have a good deal of confidence in that statistical data. The fake addition of 6 million people over and above that line of best fit is glaringly obviously. The fact that Zionist Juden were in charge of those figures over the last prior 40 years up until the end of the War exposes the fraud for what it is. I did not make up the modern figures, they are from official sources, they were simply graphed. It does not need a degree in statistics to see the obvious fraud.

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Huntinger wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 12:52 am
When modern data is extrapolated back it is possible to see with a good deal of certainty what the population at the time most likely was. It is also possible to compare and contrast the population growth as suggested by the US jude Untermyer which if following the same trend as in yellow would give a population today of about 60 million. This shows reasonably clearly how the figures by Untermyer were fabricated to support the loss he claims.

It is far from meaningless unless the modern figures are somehow incorrect. It would seem that the Untermyer figures were deliberated faked.
Not really. The model of Jewish population is that there was a population boom in Central European (Pale of Settlement) Jews starting about 1880 that continued up to the start of WW2. Those Central European Jews spread into other parts of the world (the USA was practically flooded with these Jews in this period). The particularly fecund Central European Jews were taken out of the mix and thereafter the population grew at a greatly reduced rate (the population boom was over).

The data you are using is not clean. It was fairly difficult to estimate Jewish population for a large variety of reasons. For instance, the AJC estimates of Jewish world population for 1918 was 15,124,349 - this having been figured at that time. Compare that to the figure you used for 1920 of 14 million. That is a significant difference. Your graph looks to have plotted 1880 data as 1890 (and labeled that point 1800). The fact of the matter is that specific tracking of Jewish populations didn't start until the late 19th century and got better and better at finding there to have been more and more Jews than previously thought.

You can see this explanation of mine clearly if you read each and every year of the AJC statistics at their website. I have brought this to your attention countless times. But you seem to refuse to look at this data. Their data is the data they themselves used in those particular years - not extrapolations or anything. The books are there scanned in from old physical copies for each year. In most instances, all you need to do is click on the decade volume, then click on a particular year, then click on the "Statistics of Jews" link. You can then peruse that part to get population statistics - quickly and easily. But I'd recommend that you read these things through to get how these numbers came about. Then you might get a better feel for what you are talking about.

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blake121666 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:19 pm
AJC statistics at I have brought this to your attention countless times. But you seem to refuse to look at this data. Their data is the data they themselves used in those particular years - not extrapolations or anything. The books are there scanned in from old physical copies for each year. In most instances, all you need to do is click on the decade volume, then click on a particular year, then click on the "Statistics of Jews" link. You can then peruse that part to get population statistics - quickly and easily. But I'd recommend that you read these things through to get how these numbers came about. Then you might get a better feel for what you are talking about.
Blake thank you but you have no need to stick up for Juden. Those AJC statistics were under the control of various Jewish Zionist groups led by Untermyer and guestimates which were entirely out as seen when the modern data is extrapolated back. They are not out due to error but most likely due to fudging. Untermyer and his team declared war on the Reich and was well aware that real war was imminent; the previous claims of 6 million in the first world war could not probably be justified but he was the person who could control the figures which he did in all probability to make up for the second war he instigated. If Untermyers or the AJC figures were correct then the Jude population of the world today would be 60 million. They have been caught at their own lies. Not even you can squirm them off this hook Jude enabler. You also forgot that in 1918 it was claimed millions of Jude perished in the first world war, the breeding rates went down considerably. Clearly the Juden almanac was fudged; it would not matter except for the alleged holohoax claim.

It is the extrapolation back that caught their lie.

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Regardless. You can't just post crap out of ignorance. If you do decide to actually do as I asked, you'd find interesting things in there - such as their handling of the Lublin Reservation at the time. Or the Soviet evacuations of Jews to Siberia. Just flailing your hands about with a conspiracy theory - ignorant and divorced from any looking into what was said at the time is pretty useless to anyone. It's not like what you are bringing up hasn't been brought by Revisionists for decades. Dalton's "Debating the Holocaust" has a chapter devoted to what you bring up here. It is no insight of yours to scratch at the surface of what others have done. And you don't even cite what those others have done.

You didn't even look into your citations of Solzhenitsyn's demographer which you brought up. That one would be interesting - being rather newer than we generally come across. I told you that and butkus from you for any follow-up.

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blake121666 wrote:
Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:51 pm
Regardless. You can't just post crap out of ignorance. If you do decide to actually do as I asked, you'd find interesting things in there - such as their handling of the Lublin Reservation at the time. Or the Soviet evacuations of Jews to Siberia. Just flailing your hands about with a conspiracy theory - ignorant and divorced from any looking into what was said at the time is pretty useless to anyone. It's not like what you are bringing up hasn't been brought by Revisionists for decades. Dalton's "Debating the Holocaust" has a chapter devote to what you bring up here. It is nbo insight of yours to scratch at the surface of what others have done. And you don't even cite what those others have done.
This is not crap, it is modern data extrapolated back. It is not my data but public available simply punched into a spreadsheet and graphed. I do not care what others have done in this matter, I am looking at it from another angle and people can form their own conclusions. You are attempting to go off topic speaking about reservations and Soviet Evacuation this is a pure flipperism. Here are the facts enabler.
  • World war one took a terrible loss on Juden, whole communities lost, the AJC data does not seem to reflect this well. It seems clear that WWI losses of Jude were calculated into the alleged Holocaust as well as the distinction between religious and very distant Juden. The guestimates are exactly that. wild guesses with no foundation in reality. All the statistical pontification to suggest otherwise is absolute fantasy.
  • World Jude population stats gathered and published by Jude. Guestimates at best, though they call it estimates.
  • Same Juden who compiled and published those statistics declared War on the Reich.
  • Same Jude were Zionists, their data is most likely biased to reflect the potential war to come which they instigated to some extent.
  • Same Zionist group expounding the 6 million for decades. Virtually every single conflict has brought up the demise of 6 million.
  • Same Zionist group pre war and post war statistics which fulfills prophecy of 6 million. This is bound to influence their guestimates as they think it is true, perhaps.
  • Modern population statistic show a world population increase of only 0.38 million Juden per decade over 50 years as opposed to the Untermyer Zionists showing almost a 2 million increase per decade period prior to WWII despite the fact millions perished in the first world war. Modern data is correct more than the Untermyer guestimates. The extrapolation back is linear to the point that an alegraic equation can be made to calculate jüdisch population within a 2% accuracy, at least to a certain point in history.
  • post War for 50 years according to modern data the world population of juden has increased 1.9 million but the same period in Untermyers legacy it increased 8.9 million despite a world war claiming millions of lives.
Basically the AJC statistics controlled by Untermyer and fellow Zionists are fudged simply to fit in with the long term 6 million claim bantering around since the 1800s. They declared War on the Reich resulting in Juden being interned when the bullets started flying.
They also controlled the statistics, fake statistics. Another example of lying Habiru.

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