The main purveyors of Islamophobia

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Re: The main purveyors of Islamophobia

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been-there wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:23 am
“ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It is a preconceived plan of Zionists who want to deliberately make Islam look bad,”
Been-there continues to lie and virtue signal. Sex slaves and terrorism and assassinating innocent people is part and parcel of Islam.

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Werd wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:21 am

Been-there continues to lie and virtue signal. Sex slaves and terrorism and assassinating innocent people is part and parcel of Islam.
Emotional talk Werd. BT was talking about ISIS not Islam in general. Notice how they suddenly appeared as a construct out of no where. They are an imaginary fake enemy. Islam is another issue


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Re: The main purveyors of Islamophobia

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ISIS is not Islamic and doesn't follow anything in the Koran or Hadiths? Okay. :roll:

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Here is some more info on the Zionist nature of ISIL/ISIS/Daesh.
I don't know how accurate this info is.
No matter which name they go by – ISIS, ISIL, IS or Daesh – the group has been deliberately engineered by the US and Israel to achieve certain geopolitical goals. They are a religious, fundamentalist, Sunni terrorist organisation created to terrorise and overthrow certain secular or Shiite Arab nations such as Syria and Iraq, but they are not just “Islamic”. They may be Muslims, and they may be advocating an Islamic State, but they are very much working towards the goals of Zionism.

It’s amazing how many people still struggle to get that point. We have been inundated with propaganda surrounding the fraudulent war on terror, notably terms such as Islamic terrorism and radical Islam, but more accurate phrases would be Zio-Islamic terrorism and radical Zio-Islam. Secret military agencies such as the CIA and the Mossad pull the strings. Here is a list of the top 10 ‘indications’ that ISIS is a US-Israeli creation.

ISIS is a US-Israeli Creation: Indication #1: ISIS Foreknowledge via Leaked DIA Doc
The DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) is 1 of 16 US military intelligence agencies. According to a leaked document obtained by Judicial Watch, the DIA wrote on August 12, 2012 that:
“there is the possibility of establishing a declared or undeclared Salafist Principality in eastern Syria (Hasaka and Der Zor), and this is exactly what the supporting powers to the opposition want, in order to isolate the Syrian regime …”
This was written before ISIS came on to the world stage. Clearly ISIS was no random uprising, but rather a carefully groomed and orchestrated controlled opposition group.

The “supporting powers to the opposition” referred to are Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the GCC nations such as Qatar, who are in turn being supported by the US-UK-Israeli axis in their struggle to overthrow Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad. As I outlined in this article Syrian Ground War About to Begin? WW3 Inches Closer, the US is backing the Sunni nations while Russia, China and Iran are backing the Shia nations, so there is the definite potential for this to erupt into World War 3. Below are screenshots of the actual DIA document...

Read more here: https://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-is-a ... ns/5518627

been-there wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 4:23 am
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Is /was al-Bagdhadi a Mossad mole named Elliot Shimon?
I don't know.

But I do know this...

... we are not allowed to express that thought out loud. It is punished as a thought crime.

I also know that claiming this information came from Edward Snowden is FALSE. Inserting that easily refuted deception into the repeating of the revelation looks to me like damage control by Israel/Mossad.
The group known as ISIS which is creating terror in The Middle East is a creation of the U.S.A and Israel.
That has been done with support from Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and Turkey.
Just as America and the CIA was behind the creation of the Mujahedeen fighters to take on the Russians in Afghanistan in the 1980s. For many alternative news readers this is all very obvious, but the large majority of people in the world still have no idea who is really behind the rise of ISIS.

Iraq’s Vice President Nouri al-Maliki is now saying what many “conspiracy theorists” and alternative news outlets have been saying for some time now.
The U.S. and its allies helped create ISIS (otherwise known as Islamic State, IS, ISIL or Daesh), while Saudi Arabia and other gulf emirates bankrolled the militant group. The multiple names by which the group is known is simply a ploy to confuse serious investigators.
While Iraq’s vice president acknowledged that the U.S. had assisted in recapturing Mosul, he also noted that it had contributed to the emergence of ISIS in the first place.
“IS resembles the Taliban which was created by the US administration to counter the USSR in Afghanistan. The same way, IS was created to counter the Iraqi stance, which did not agree to blockade Syria, was against no-fly zones in Syria and against American military bases,” he stated.

http://www.searchforthetruth.co.uk/isis
'The terrifying group, ISIS, is a Zionist creation': that was alleged by an employee of the Dutch National Cyber Security Centre. Reports also abound that the groups’ leader, al-Baghdadi, is Jewish.

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Yasmina Haifi alleged that ISIS, the group reportedly beheading children and responsible for the genocide currently happening in Iraq, is a fruit of a Zionist plot.

“ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. It is a preconceived plan of Zionists who want to deliberately make Islam look bad,” Haifi , a project management official working for Dutch National Cyber Security Centre, posted in her Twitter account.

Following her tweet, Haifi was then suspended from her job with the Ministry of Security and Justice and the National Coordinator for Counterterrorism and Security (NCTV) saying that they are distancing themselves from Haifi’s ideas.

“Security and Justice and the NCTV distance themselves from her remarks. And since [the comment] relates to the work of the NCTV and the National Cyber Security Center, cause is shown to terminate her assignment NCSC/NCTV and outsource her work with immediate effect,” the Dutch government said in a statement as reported by the NL Times.

Asked about the consequence of her post, Haifi was adamant not to take back her statements.

“Freedom of expression is apparently only for certain groups. I have taken the liberty to express myself and obviously I have to pay for it. I do not know why I should take it down; this is what I think,” Haifi said in an interview with local radio program Radio 1.

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Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi is a nom de guerre. His other name is Ibrahim Awwad Ibrahim Ali al-Badri al Samarrai. It is also alleged his name is Simon Elliot or Elliot Shimon.

Haifi’s suspension was made following calls from MPs Joram van Klaveren and Louis Bontes for the Security and Justice Minister Ivo Opstelten to do all necessary step against Haifi.

“…a person who propagates such ideas and is working with state secrets could be a threat to national security,” MPs van Klaveren and Bontes said in a joint statement.

Netizens were also quick to cast judgment on Haifi that she had since removed her comment from her Twitter account.

“I realize the political sensitivity in relation to my work. This [public reaction] was never my intention,” she tweets.

Meanwhile, reports about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, so-called “Caliph,” and the leader of ISIS being of Jewish origin abound.

al-Baghdadi’s real name is Simon Elliot or Elliot Shimon and was born to Jewish parents and trained in espionage and psychological warfare against Arab and Islamic societies under a Mossad agent, a report from Veterans Today alleged.

In support of its report, the news portal offered English translation from non-English web sites – the Radio ajyal.com and Egy-press.

According to Veterans Today, the plan for the ISIS under al-Baghdadi’s leadership is to “get into the military and civilian heart of the countries that are declared as a threat to Israel in order to destroy to facilitate thereafter, the takeover by the Zionist state on the entire area of the Middle East in order to establish Greater Israel.”

Such theories tagging ISIS to a Zionist plot and Jewish leadership may have sprouted from earlier reports related to Edward Snowden.

According to various reports, Snowden divulged that British and American intelligence and the Zionist society created the ISIS, previously called the Islamic State Iraq and the Levant.

According to an Iranian news agency, Snowden revealed that the three entities established the terrorist group for it to be able to attract extremists activities to a one place – this strategy dubbed as the “the hornet’s nest.”

“… the recent implementation of an old known as the hornet’s nest to protect the Zionist entity PLAN britannique, and creating a religion including Islamic slogans reject any religion or faith. The only solution for the protection of the Jewish State is to create an enemy near its borders, BUT the draw against Islamic states who oppose his presence,” lifting a direct quote from the leaked Snowden documents, news reports.

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Athena Yenko — International Business Times, Australia. August 14, 2014
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Re: The main purveyors of Islamophobia

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been-there wrote:
Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:24 am
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Here is some more info on the Zionist nature of ISIL/ISIS/Daesh.
I don't know how accurate this info is.
RODOH: Fake Beheading Videos and the Fake War on Terror
You made your first appearance in that topic here. I don't see how you could question that ISIS takes money from USA and Israel and is being used by them. There seems to me to be nothing left to debate on how the Zionists are using ISIS. You even gave me credit for waking you up to those fake beheading videos a couple of pages after your first post in that topic.
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Sun Oct 19, 2014 5:41 pm
We actually do KNOW that the ten vigorous strokes with a knife on Sotloff that drew absolutely no blood WAS a fake beheading. As Werd has demonstrated, merely ONE vigorous stroke with a knife would draw copious amounts of blood and is enough to kill. = FAKED beheading film. :roll:

Likewise, thanks to Werd I now KNOW that the Nick Berg beheading was another faked execution according to medical experts. He was already dead when the filmed decapitation occurred, and yet the video tape had sounds of him supposedly screaming.
= "FAKED".
I didn't know that before Werd mentioned it in this topic-thread, as our dutiful press and news coverage doesn't report such facts.

When we can easily SEE that these videos allegedly showing an actual beheading are obviously faked, and only show someone badly pretending, just so can we therefore really know that if someone refuses to acknowledge this then:
1. we are dealing with somone who has very low intelligence that they can't understand this simple fact, and
2. we are dealing with somone who also displays considerable dishonesty in not being able to admit they have difficulty understanding simple points and even harder time to admit when shown to be in error.

Pointing out when someone has no actual reasonable argument and is merely engaging in trolling is NOT a fallacious ad hominem response. Its merely pointing out the absence of an argument and a recognised negative activity.
Again, there seems to be nothing to debate about Zionist/Israeli control of ISIS. The facts are in. You don't need to play nice to the other side, been-there. Fuck them and fuck their dishonest denial.

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Re: The main purveyors of Islamophobia

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So, does anyone here seriously believe that Donald Trump really saw al-Baghdadi "crying" and whimpering"?
The killing was done at night.
The "live feed" had no sound.

This 'news' story has many other holes in it...
And on Trump’s “we told them,” the Russian Defense Ministry was emphatic: “We know nothing about any assistance to the flight of US aircraft to the Idlib de-escalation zone’s airspace in the course of this operation.”

According to ground sources in Syria, a prevalent rumor in Idlib is that the “dead dog” in Barisha could be Abu Mohammad Salama, the leader of Haras al-Din, a minor sub-group of al-Qaeda in Syria. Haras al-Din has not issued any statement about it.

...the ...caliph has been proclaimed definitely dead at least five times, starting in December 2016. Yet the timing, now, could not be more convenient.

...And then, there’s the oil question. The “died as a dog” movie literally buries – at least for now – an extremely embarrassing story: the Pentagon deploying tanks to “protect” Syrian oilfields. This is as illegal, by any possible interpretation of international law, as is, for that matter, the very presence in Syria of US troops, which were never invited by the government in Damascus.

...The “died as a dog” movie can also be interpreted as the liquidation of a formerly useful asset that was a valued component of the gift that keeps on giving, the never-ending Global War on Terror. Other scarecrows, and other movies, await.

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/artic ... ike-a-dog/
So, anyone believe that they really killed al-Baghdadi and then "buried his body at sea"? :roll: :lol:

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Been There wrote: So, does anyone here seriously believe that Donald Trump really saw al-Baghdadi "crying" and whimpering"?
If there was any "crying" and "whimpering" it was probably the children that they allege were with Baghdadi when he retreated into the tunnel.
Been There wrote: So, anyone believe that they really killed al-Baghdadi and then "buried his body at sea"? :roll: :lol:
I thought he blew himself up. What did they do? Sweep up all the little pieces?

All a person can do is realize that they are being lied to. As for ascertaining what the truth really is, forget it.

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Memri and other pro-Israel, Jewish-operated, organs of misinformation have been again spreading 'news' promoting the myth that Islam and muslims in general are ordered by their holy scrpiture to perform violent acts against non-muslims.
1. A contextual examination of a Quranic Verse (9:5) that supposedly authorises the slaughter of innocent non-Muslims

There is a debate in the world's perception of Islam. Is Islam inherently and irreformably violent? Verses from the Qur'an have been cited to attempt to both prove and disprove that Islam is a peaceful religion, whether Muslims are called to slay unbelievers and whether Islam can ever be is compatible with the values of a modern pluralistic society. On the one side are those who claim that the Qur'an encourages the indiscriminate killing of all who reject their Prophet. Some assert that there are hundreds of verses in the Qur'an that encourage violence against innocent nonbelievers. Others claim that Islam is a religion of peace which has been hijacked by extremist who abuse and misinterpret the verses from their Holy Book to justify terrorism for political ends.
Time does not permit us to study all the relevant verses. We will begin by looking first at look at one key verse in Surah 9 which is perhaps the most quoted by those who seek to portray the Qur'an as intolerant and violent. Below, we will also examine another oft-quoted verse in Surah 2."

The oft-quoted part of the first reads:
Quran 9:5 - ... slay the unbelievers wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush...

The question we want to address is whether the context supports the violent proposition that these isolated words seem to advocate. Are they meant to apply to all situations throughout history without limit or does the Qur'an restrict them to a specific historical context? Are you and I potential targets of every Muslim who follows the teachings of the Qur'an? A good place to start is the opening verse of the Surah in question.
It reads:
Quran 9:1 - A (declaration) of immunity from Allah and His Messenger, to those of the Pagans with whom ye have contracted mutual alliances...

Can it be any clearer that context restricts the time and place of the application of the verses that follow? The command to fight the "unbelievers" was limited to those Arabian tribes who had initially made peace treaties with the Muslims and later violated the treaty. (e.g. the Compact of Medina, that guaranteed freedom of worship to all, Jews, Christians and Pagans). "Unbelievers" is really a mistranslation, "pagans" or "idolaters." The Arabian tribes who broke their oaths are the ones that Surah 9 refers to. A reading of the entire Surah will show these permissions for Muslims to fight did not extend to all pagan tribes but only those who allied themselves with Islam's enemies and launched attacks against the nascent Muslim Community.
Quran 9:3-4 - And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger... that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (peace treaty) obligations with the Pagans.... (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them...

Quran 9:12-13 - But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and taunt you for your Faith, - then fight the chiefs of Unfaith: for their oaths are nothing to them: that thus they may be restrained. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive (path) by being the first (to attack) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!


In contrast with the often portrayed violent picture of Islam, the Quran itself teaches only defensive war and religious tolerance.
Quran 2:256 - Let there be no compulsion in religion...

Quran 6: 107-108 - If it had been Allah's plan, they would not have taken false gods: but We made thee not one to watch over their doings, nor art thou set over them to dispose of their affairs... In the end will they return to their Lord, and We shall then tell them the truth of all that they did.

Further, it is important to note that Judaism and Christianity have a protected and blessed status within the Quranic teaching, although a distinction was made between those who lived up to their faith and those who failed to do so.
Peace and salutation to Abraham... and we gave him the good news of Isaac, a prophet – one of the Righteous. We blessed him (Abraham) and Isaac; but of their progeny there are (some) who do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong to their own souls... Again (of old) we bestowed our favor upon Moses and Aaron. And We gave them the Book, which helps to make things clear. And We guided them to the Straight Way. And we left (this blessing) among them among for generations (to come) in later times. "Peace and salutation to Moses and Aaron." (Quran 37:109-120)
Muslims are commissioned to protect Jewish and Christian institutions:
Quran 22:40 - (They are) those who have been expelled from their homes in defiance of right, - (for no cause) except that they say, "our Lord is Allah... Did not Allah check one set of people by means of another, there would surely have been pulled down monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques, in which the name of Allah is commemorated in abundant measure (if Muslims did not protect them).
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A couple of months ago a fellow... asked us if we had heard about the “anti-Semitism map”. We had not, so our friend sent us the link and suggested we looked to see if we were on the map. We honestly thought that we would never find our name on that map as we are not, and never have been, racist in any way. We are sure you can imagine our shock and anger to not only to find our names but also also our locations on the map. Not only were we angry about being labelled “anti-Semitic” but also at our private information being put on the map for everybody to see. It is a total invasion of our privacy and goes against data privacy regulations which are upheld by the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO).

...The creation of this map is part of the ongoing smear campaign by pro-Israel factions and the campaign of harassment and bullying by GnasherJew, Sussex Friends of Israel, LAAS, the “Campaign Against Anti-Semitism” and others to try to scare supporters of Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn and those who support Palestine. They claim to be fighting anti-Semitism but the truth is that they are all rampant Islamophobes and are using the fight against anti-Semitism to hide the truth. The pro-Israel groups are scared of Corbyn becoming prime minister because it will mean the end of aid for Israel and the beginning of help and aid for Palestine.

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