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Prof. J.S. Hayward and the Daily Mail

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August 14, 2011. Dr Joel Hayward is a pain-in-the-ass

Joel is from New Zealand, and has Jewish ancestry. In fact, he became literate in Hebrew, and in his twenties was a member of the New Zealand Friends of Israel. At that time he made several trips to Israel and also founded an organisation called Opposition to Anti-Semitism (OAS), which he headed for its first two years.

In 1991, Joel received a BA from the University of Canterbury in Christchurch, specialising in History and Classics. He then went on to do a MA and then a PhD.

Joel’s MA thesis was on the subject of Holocaust Revisionism. He was supervised and examined by Professors of History from the universities of Canterbury and Waikato, and given an A+ for his thesis – which was judged the best history thesis of his year and won him the Sir James Hight Memorial Prize, awarded for ‘excellence’.

In his thesis, Joel (a Hebrew-literate ‘Friend of Israel’ of Jewish background) probed the extent to which the Holocaust had been planned and organised, the number of gas chambers used and the numbers of victims involved. In no way, shape or form could this be construed as ‘Holocaust Denial’.

Joel’s MA thesis, completed in 1993, was released to public scrutiny in 1999. Unfortunately, certain parties labeled it as ‘Holocaust Denial’ and this spurious claim has haunted him ever since. A committee was formed and the University of Canterbury conducted a lengthy investigation. They concluded that there were errors of research in the thesis, but that Joel Hayward was entirely innocent of any deliberate anti-Semitism or Holocaust Denial. Joel subsequently apologised for the research flaws and even publically apologised to the New Zealand Jewish community who were so up-in-arms about this.

He moved to the UK in 2004, and became Muslim in 2007. ...In summary, Joel Hayward is a scholar, a respected teacher, and he displays exemplary compassion, tolerance, peace and humility.

So it came as something of a shock to see the Mail on Sunday and the Daily Mail both publish a prominent ‘news’ story attacking and totally demonizing Dr Joel Hayward...
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Non belief of the holocaust is treated today like heresy was in the Dark Ages. Whether the holocaust is true or not, the danger is from those who would enforce the "faith" on those who speak the truth or couldn't care less.

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"In 1993 I received a two-year Master of Arts degree from the University of Canterbury, comprising a supervised one-year research thesis (written twenty-one years ago in 1991) and four classroom-taught papers (1992). I received a grade of "A+" for the thesis and four grades of "A" for the papers. 
I have naturally regretted for the last twenty-one years that my 1991 thesis on the historiography of Holocaust revisionism — my first ever attempt at sustained research — was an imperfect piece of research. Straight out of a three-year bachelor degree I found myself overwhelmed by sources, confused by some highly complex arguments, very manipulated by some people I contacted, and not yet mature and wise in my thinking or skilled at the historian's craft. Yet I researched and wrote in good faith, trying hard not only to excel but also scrupulously to follow the guidance and advice of my well-published professor, with whom I had weekly supervision meetings.
My fledgling research made statements and expressed arguments that were not universally strong. Some were very poor. I wish I had been better prepared at the time to deal with my very complex topic. I regret that I mistakenly wrote erroneous things and that no supervisors or examiners stopped me from doing so or at least pointed out the grave weaknesses of interpretation.
Even worse, I hated occasionally observing online that a few revisionists and Holocaust deniers — many of whom clearly adore the Nazis, whom I despise — alleged that my far more mature, informed and accurate historical assessments about the Holocaust in the years after 1993 had been coerced by Jews. Their accusations were both silly and anti-Semitic. Thankfully, they don’t waste words on me anymore. Twenty-one years is a long time.
I have learned a lot throughout the intervening decades, both about the historian's craft and about our need as members of decent and forgiving societies to make amends for our youthful mistakes and lack of wisdom. I am at least pleased that, as well as publishing a number of well-received books and many articles on different topics (military operational art, leadership, ethics and religion), I have been able to devote my academic career to something honourable, positive and beneficial: the development and intellectual enrichment of decent young men and women who will serve the noble causes of democracy, freedom and peace.
— Joel Hayward March 2012."

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Yes I read that too on his website, of course ol' Anarchy In Sweden will only now reply that he only wrote that because he knew that it was career suicide to continue to declare a hoaxoco$t..

One can qualify that a bit further I suppose and write that most of them don't bother with him now. Except teen-bhere who is obsessed with him.

Adore the Nazis, Joel??!!??

What can he mean?! LOL.
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He's certainly not had a jot of controversy since . . .
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:He's certainly not had a jot of controversy since . . .
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August 2011? Seems quite recent for a thesis written in 1993, recanted in 2002 amidst death threats to his daughters, loss of tenure, plus professional prejudice and intimidation against himself and any 'friends' or academic 'supporters' who continued to associate with him.

In June 2002, Joel Hayward was pressured to resign from his position as senior lecturer in history at Massey University even though he had been a popular, respected teacher and productive scholar. The obvious question that is being ignored is "WHY?" What was so terrible that admitted, recanted and apologised flaws in a seven year-old minor thesis should still be the source of so much furore? A thesis that "...six serving or retired members of the History department persisted in their own judgment... was a first-class effort."
"Notwithstanding the apparent finality of the report and its qualified exoneration of Hayward, during 2000, 2001, and 2002 Hayward received hundreds of pieces of "hate" mail, abusive telephone calls, threats against himself, his wife and small children, harassment at Massey University and continued negative media attention."
What happened to Joel Hayward and how long are we going to put up with this?
Whether Hayward, made mistakes or not, or whether he genuinely recanted them or not, is no longer really the issue. This minor work by an MA student twenty years ago is really only relevant today because of the reception it received and the demonisation the author underwent and which still continues, as evidenced by the anti-muslim 'hate' article from a leading British newspaper as recently as TWO YEARS ago.

The avoidance and denial of this obvious fact AGAIN demonstrates that the real deniers and perpetrators of 'hate' crimes are not the revisionists.

Oh, the irony!
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Don't you do sarcasm?
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He doesn't do so many things, apparently. God, what a twit. I am also impressed by the part, where, after citing Hayward's MA thesis to bolster his argument in the Wannsee thread, the very sort of thing Hayward says he wishes deniers didn't do, the twit writes,
Whether Hayward, made mistakes or not . . . is no longer really the issue
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This minor work by an MA student twenty years ago is really only relevant today because of the reception it received and the demonisation the author underwent and which still continue
So, whether of not the thesis is shoddy, the twit quoted from it, and the only relevance of the thesis is the hubbub around it, but the twit found it relevant to quote from! LOL
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Enjoyable thread we have going here.

Oh my. http://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... 669#p29670
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Do any of the true-believers know what "flaws" Joel apologised for and recanted? Just curious how far your interest has taken you...
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