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been-there wrote:
Mon May 29, 2017 6:15 am
407 were murdered at My Lai 4, and 97 were murdered at My Khe 4, for a total of 504 Vietnamese civilians
For some reason you think you can whitewash Nazi germany crimes, by bringing us other atrocities from around the world. Seems that some others here who are admirers of the third reich fail to understand what it was all about - the most dictatorial oppressive regime imaginable.

You really want to compare the action of the Nazi regime to that of US in the 60th ?

Here is one major difference :

This is the anti war protests in washington dc in 1969 , which eventually led to to withdrawal of american forces from Vietnam and the end of the war :

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And this is Sophie Scholl , who was executed on the 22 February 1943 , for distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich :

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While you deniers pretend to be supporters of free speech ( when it suits you ) actually many of you are admires of the third reich , one of the most oppressive regime in the history of man kind.

So kindly do not pretend to be crusaders for human rights and free speech, You are not . And the fact that many of you are admirers of Nazi germany is proof of that fact.


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onetruth wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:43 pm


This is the anti war protests in washington dc in 1969 , which eventually led to to withdrawal of american forces from Vietnam and the end of the war :
Wrong again, dummy. It was because soldiers were tired of the fucking bullshit war and many went on a mutiny of starts. Many began murdering their own commanders with grenades for example. The technocrats and war mongers realized the war could not continue with this going on.
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onetruth wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 1:43 pm
been-there wrote:
Mon May 29, 2017 6:15 am
407 were murdered at My Lai 4, and 97 were murdered at My Khe 4, for a total of 504 Vietnamese civilians
For some reason you think you can whitewash Nazi germany crimes, by bringing us other atrocities from around the world. Seems that some others here who are admirers of the third reich fail to understand what it was all about - the most dictatorial oppressive regime imaginable.

You really want to compare the action of the Nazi regime to that of US in the 60th ?
Here is one major difference :

This is the anti war protests in washington dc in 1969 , which eventually led to to withdrawal of american forces from Vietnam and the end of the war :
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And this is Sophie Scholl , who was executed on the 22 February 1943 , for distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich :
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While you deniers pretend to be supporters of free speech (when it suits you) actually many of you are admires of the third reich, one of the most oppressive regime in the history of man kind.

So kindly do not pretend to be crusaders for human rights and free speech, You are not . And the fact that many of you are admirers of Nazi germany is proof of that fact.
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Do you want to discuss, exchange ideas and understandings, learn and expand your knowledge. Or do you want to just mouth off?

This thread is about US atrocities, war-crimes, genocidal actions and foreign policy immorality.

If learning of such US crimes upsets your world view so much, maybe you need to change your world view. Not try and close down the presentation of factual information to protect it.

I'n not whitewashing anyones atrocities. Actually the irony is that you are, by not condemning unequivocally these US crimes and instead going off on an unecessary defence by arguing they were not as bad as what Nazis allegedly did. Which is an immoral tu qouque logically fallacious argument. Plus no-one has suggested any kind of comparison of different nations' crimes besides you.

E.g. If Sophie Scholl had been British and had done the exact same thing in Britain against the British government and their war-effort during war-time what do you think the Brits would have done with her??
That's a genuine question. What is your guess?
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been-there wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 3:56 pm
http://youtu.be/NfcfaU5ZbP4

So why did Muslims enslave many Christians centuries ago and cut off heads centuries ago? Because Afghanistan and Iraq. Brilliant. As I said here before, Islam was bloody before the 20th century. What SHOULD be said is that Islam was made WORSE. In fact, if you wanna know how or why Islam became more perverse and resorted to being more based in the extremely hateful and violent Koran and got away from some of the secular, less violent spirit that Muslims preferred (Muslims in Kosovo who condemned ISIS are a shining example), then look at the Salafis and the Wahabbis. Muslim scholar David Livingstone claims that Wahhabi Islam was founded by freemasonic crypto Jews and used as a conquering tool of the freemasonic British empire.

ISIS are not Sunnis. They are a British and Salafi Plot to Create Neo-Caliphate
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/is ... -caliphate

ISIS are Sunni Impostors & Saudi-CIA Shills
http://henrymakow.com/2014/08/ISIS-are- ... rs%20.html

IBN TAYMIYYAH AND THE OCCULT ROOTS OF ISLAMIC TERRORISM
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress4/ib ... terrorism/

ISLAMIC RADICALS ADMIT TO MASONIC ORIGINS. BUT…
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress4/is ... igins-but/

Wahhabis and Salafis are not Sunnis
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/blog/wa ... not-sunnis

Finally:
Memoirs of Mr. Hempher, The British Spy to the Middle East or Confessions of a British Spy is a document purporting to be the account by an 18th-century British agent, Hempher, of his instrumental role in founding the conservative Islamic reform movement of Wahhabism, as part of a conspiracy to corrupt Islam. It first appeared in 1888, in Turkish, in the five-volume Mir'at al-Haramayn of Ayyub Sabri Pasha (who is thought to be the actual author by at least one scholar).[1] It has been described as "apocryphal",[2] a "forgery", "utter nonsense",[3] and "an Anglophobic variation on The Protocols of the Elders of Zion”.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memoirs_o ... iddle_East

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been-there wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:36 pm
E.g. If Sophie Scholl had been British and had done the exact same thing in Britain against the British government and their war-effort during war-time what do you think the Brits would have done with her??
That's a genuine question. What is your guess?
BS , name one British objector to the war that was executed .

In contrast the Nazis executed or put in concentration camps all who dared criticised their oppressive and foul regime.

Sophie Scholl is just one example out of many

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onetruth wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:56 pm
been-there wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:36 pm
E.g. If Sophie Scholl had been British and had done the exact same thing in Britain against the British government and their war-effort during war-time what do you think the Brits would have done with her??
That's a genuine question. What is your guess?
BS , name one British objector to the war that was executed .
In contrast the Nazis executed or put in concentration camps all who dared criticised their oppressive and foul regime.
Sophie Scholl is just one example out of many
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Ah. So you won't even proffer a guess of what would have happened to her had she been British involved in the same secret anti-establishment, anti-war effort activity and sabotage.

How revealing.
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I will answer it since Jeff will not. She would have been imprisoned for treason and possibly executed. There was some British gentleman who transmitted pro nazi, anti war radio broadcasts in England in the 40's. Some irish bloke. He ended up being executed. William Joyce. However he likely was the only one to be executed by the British for propaganda. Roy Walter Purdy nearly was. As far as I can tell, every other person who was convicted of treason in the UK was only imprisoned.

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Werd wrote:
Mon Jun 05, 2017 3:40 pm
I will answer it since Jeff will not. She would have been imprisoned for treason and possibly executed. There was some British gentleman who transmitted pro nazi, anti war radio broadcasts in England in the 40's. Some irish bloke. He ended up being executed. William Joyce. However he likely was the only one to be executed by the British for propaganda. Roy Walter Purdy nearly was. As far as I can tell, every other person who was convicted of treason in the UK was only imprisoned.
William Joyce actually moved to berlin and worked with the Nazis and got paid by them for his services.

You can also check how many people did the americans executed for treason and you likely come out with non.

The point that been there tries to ignore is that you can not compare the situation of living in a democracy to those under a ruthless dictatorship as Nazi germany was.

The meaning of living under such a ruthless dictatorship was that you could be executed for any reason or trial when ever the rulers wanted to get rid of you. They could do it by show trial to set an example and put fear into others , like it was in the Hans and Sophie Scholl case. Or you could be dragged in the middle of the night and be shot as it happened in the Night of the Long Knives where in a purge the Nazis murdered 85 people :

see here :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives

The reality of living under Nazi dictatorship was that all opposition was immediately silenced - either by execution or by sending to a concentration camp while the rest would be silenced by fear.The first concentration camp Dachau was opened 22 March 1933 immediately after the Nazis took power and built to imprison any german opposition.

Yet many holocaust deniers like been there , try to glorify Nazi Germany , I wonder how would they have liked to live under such a dictatorship. Even more ridiculous is that those same deniers often whine about lack of freedom of speech , i wonder what sort of freedom of speech do they fantasize they would " enjoy " under the third reich.

F*ck tyranny

F*ck fascism

F*ck dictatorship


Hans and Sophie Scholl on an East German postage stamp in 1961

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Some speculate there was a double reason for the night of the long knives.

Wipe out Hitler's political opponents.

Wipe out people who could identify the fact that the Nazis were getting funding from America. More than even pro Americans and most revisionists would want to admit. This ties into the issues I brought up before on this page which you dodged.

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