Negationist Team Response 5/19/04

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Negationist Team Response 5/19/04

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Greetings to all students of History!

The Negationist Team would first of all like to express its gratitude for the participation of the Veritas Team and their lengthy submission. We apologize for the delays on our part.

In general, however, the comments by Veritas are irrelevant. Not one of their comments adequately addresses the proof of the existence of homicidal gas chambers.

The TOPIC of this discussion is simply:

"Resolved, at Auschwitz/Birkenau between 1941 and 1944, a) people were killed in homicidal gas chambers employing Zyklon B, and b) this killing claimed hundreds of thousands of victims."

Although the Negationist Team does not speak for all Revisionists, we do strongly feel that the Denier label is a false-dichotomy; it is more useful in squelching real open-debate on this topic than in promoting it. However, we do acknowledge the rhetorical convenience and simplicity of two adversarial camps, one of "Deniers" and one of "Believers."

Denying the existence of homicidal gas chambers in Birkenau is in our opinion not “Denying the Holocaust.”
The views expressed by Holocaust deniers, who call themselves “Revisionists” and will hereafter be designated by this term, include the following:

(i) that Jews were not killed in gas chambers or at least not on any significant scale;
Revisionists question that hundreds of thousands of Jews were murdered with gas "as alleged," or as described by the various eyewitnesses and affidavits.

(ii) that the Nazis had no policy and made no systematic attempt to exterminate European Jewry and that such deaths as did occur were the consequence of individual excesses unauthorised at any senior level;
All we need is a wartime document with an order to murder Jews in gas chambers.

(iii) that the number of Jews murdered did not run into millions and that the true death toll was far lower;
In the case of Auschwitz we have several volumes of the death books which survived. From these it was extrapolated that the total number of deaths in Auschwitz/Birkenau was somewhere around 130,000 and not four-million as propagated by the Soviets, or about one-million according to historians like Hilberg and Reitlinger.

(iv) that the Holocaust is largely or entirely a myth invented during the war by Allied propagandists and sustained after the war by Jews in order to obtain political and financial support for the newly-created state of Israel.
The term "Holocaust" actually came up only in the seventies. Was there not a movie with the title Holocaust? How on earth could the Allies have used this term during WWII as propaganda?

This is not the time to define the term "Holocaust."

Are we to believe that the Allies did not use propaganda and that everything they propagated during WWII was the absolute truth?

And were there not huge sums which were extorted out of Germany?

Threatens Edgar Bronfman, president of the World Jewish Congress, the foreign minister of Germany Lothar de Maizière during his visit to New York in September 1990:
"Es wird ein schreckliches Ende für die Deutschen geben, sollten künftige Generationen die Zahlungen an Israel und an das Weltjudentum einstellen; dann wird das deutsche Volk von der Erde verschwinden."

(There will be a horrible end for Germany in case future generations should stop payments to Israel and to the World Jewry. The German people will disappear from the earth.)
And Heinz Galinski, former chairman of the Jewish community in Berlin in "Blättern für deutsche und internationale Politik," January 1987:

"Wir geben den Weg zu einer schrankenlosen Geschichtsdiskussion nicht frei."

(We will not permit a free and open discussion on history.)
According to a 1979 Manifesto of 34 top French historians, that is exactly the approach of academic Holocaust history. There cannot be any discussion of the gaschambers!

Our team, the Veritas Team, consists of amateur researchers of history who have for some time studied the historical record of and evidence for the Holocaust, and who consider it necessary and useful, for the sake of historical truth and other values guiding democratic societies, to challenge the politically motivated falsification of history that Revisionists seek to propagate. We consider “Revisionism” to be a condemnable attempt to whitewash and rehabilitate one of the most criminal regimes in history,
Why is questioning anything in history, including the "Holocaust," a "politically motivated falsification"? The German political left argues similarly. The "anti-Revisionists" attempt with police brutality and jail terms with up to five years to establish a religious myth and that it is not allowed to doubt this.

and an insult to the memory of the millions of defenseless, innocent people who fell victim to that regime’s racist policies of extermination
And don't forget the millions of "defenseless, innocent" German people who fell victim to the Allies after the war and were killed.

But once again we are straying away from the alleged homicidal gas chambers!

All of us have for some time debated Revisionists on Usenet and on various Internet discussion forums, and all of us can claim to have successfully exposed many Revisionist falsehoods for what they are, stimulating awareness of and skepticism with regard to Revisionist propaganda. All of us do this on a voluntary basis in the spare time afforded by our professions and private lives, for no other reason than our personal conviction that Revisionism is a harmful intellectual perversion which should not be allowed to spread unchallenged.
There is a lot of money and support at stake here for Israel. Revisionism certainly could endanger this.

But what of the homicidal gas chamber story?

By August 30, 1944 it was reported in the New York Times that the Germans had been running a "River Rouge" for assembly-line extermination at Majdanek.

The hapless victims of National Socialism would find themselves expecting to be deloused, and boom, poison gas would come out of the showerheads instead of hot water! Herr Hitler was the Henry Ford of mass-murder with poison gas it would seem...

That these stories were suspiciously similar to the experiences of millions who actually had been deloused by wartime German authorities raised no alarm bells; so-called "Black propaganda" was needed in wartime just like bullets and bandages.

But what of the peace?

The Allied Peace rested upon a shaky wartime coalition with Communist allies. It was necessary for the self-proclaimed "United Nations" to forever discredit the hated enemy and therefore legitimate the unhappy quid-pro-quo patchwork of Allied rule. The War Refugee Board Report came out in late-1944, beginning to skeletate the standard story.

The Soviets released lurid press reports of homicidal delousing chambers upon the liberation of Majdanek and showed heaps of corpses. And with uncontrolled epidemics raging in the camps at the end of the war, and found by the liberating Western powers, all the versimiltude of purported race-murder was there. British intelligence started to frame a case with captured German officers and concentration camp guards, and even the inventor of Zyklon B insecticide, Dr. Bruno Tesch.

Auschwitz thus began to loom large in the Genocidal "liturgy" of gassing and burning, complete with body-stinkpiles for the newsreels at Belsen and elsewhere, which were as good as made to order for disingenuous propaganda and irresponsible journalists.

Lagerführer Kramer presided over intakes at Belsen when the camp exploded to 50 thousand infected refugees from eastern evacuations. He oversaw upon the collapse of Germany a rate of death of hundreds per day--and he too had been at Auschwitz! After more interrogations Kramer saw the light and nodded for the world at his trial what British intelligence wanted all to hear about the Nazi gas-ovens at Auschwitz and elsewhere. The rest merely reinforces "what we already know."

A few months after Kramer's late-1945 trial and execution the British were interrogating former Kommandant Rudolf Höß. Soon they had him confirming what they wanted about the Auschwitz "function," and a few days later he appeared as a witness in the Nuremberg trials of the major warcriminals.

Where is the real “convergence of evidence”?

We of the Negationist Team are incredulous that the Veritas Team would resort to using a prominent “witness,” the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba. This man, upon cross-examination in the 1985 trial in Canada of a Revisionist, admitted under oath to resorting to "poetic license" for his story--the material that became the War Refugee Board Report published by the U.S. Government in late-1944. This report then became the basis for the Auschwitz story, which was substantiated by Allied intelligence during the warcrimes trials procedures against Josef Kramer, Bruno Tesch, and Rudolf Höß, etc., a story that has become dogma.

Denying the "truth of the victors" was no more possible under such conditions than denying the truth of a medieval Inquisition.

Did they get the story right?

Professor Robert Faurisson explains the Revisionist position:

Witness Rudolf Vrba was internationally known. A Slovak Jew imprisoned at Auschwitz and at Birkenau, he said that he had escaped from the camp in April 1944 with Fred Wetzler. After getting back to Slovakia, he dictated a report about Auschwitz and Birkenau, and on their crematories and "gas chambers."

With help from Jewish organizations in Slovakia, Hungary and Switzerland, his report reached Washington, where it served as the basis for the U.S. Government's famous "War Refugee Board Report," published in November 1944. Since then every Allied organization charged with the prosecution of "war crimes" and every Allied prosecutor in a trial of "war criminals" has had available this official version of the history of those camps.

Vrba later became a British citizen and published his autobiography under the title of I Cannot Forgive. This book published in 1964, was actually written by Alan Bestic, who, in his preface, testified to the "considerable care [by Rudolf Vrba] for each detail" and to the "meticulous and almost fanatic respect he revealed for accuracy." On November 30, 1964, Vrba testified at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial. Then he settled in Canada and became a Canadian citizen. He has been featured in various films about Auschwitz, particularly Shoah by Claude Lanzmann. Everything went well for him until the day at the Zündel trial in 1985 when he was cross-examined mercilessly. He was then shown to be an impostor. It was revealed that he had completely made up the number and location of the "gas chambers" and the crematories in his famous 1944 report. His 1964 book opened with a purported January 1943 visit by Himmler to Birkenau to inaugurate a new crematorium with "gas chamber." Actually, the last visit by Himmler to Auschwitz took place in July of 1942, and in January 1943 the first of the new crematories was still far from finished. Thanks, apparently, to some special gift of memory (that he called "special mnemonic principles" or "special mnemonical method") and to a real talent for being everywhere at once, Vrba had calculated that in the space of 25 months (April 1942 to April 1944) the Germans had "gassed" 1,765,000 Jews at Birkenau alone, including 150,000 Jews from France. But in 1978, Serge Klarsfeld, in his Memorial to the Deportation of the Jews from France, had been forced to conclude that, for the entire length of the war, the Germans had deported a total of 75,721 Jews from France to all their concentration camps. The gravest aspect of this is that the figure of 1,765,000 Jews "gassed" at Birkenau had also been used in a document (L-022) at the main Nuremberg trial. Attacked on all sides by Zündel's lawyer, the impostor had no other recourse than to invoke, in Latin, the "licentia poetarum," or "poetic license," in other words, the right to engage in fiction. [Emphasis added.]

“The Zündel trials (1985 and 1988).” Journal of Historical Review, Vol. 8, no. 4 -- Winter 1988: p. 417.
What more can we say about the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba?

But let us continue anyway...

In “Auschwitz: a case of plagiarism,” Revisionist Carlo Mattogno writes:
The "eyewitness" Filip Müller, on the other hand, "waited thirty years before resolving to write," and finally, in 1979, published a detailed "testimony": Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the Gas Chambers (Stein & Day, New York: 1979).

But the coup de grace to this "eyewitness" is supplied by Müller himself. After describing the escape from Birkenau, on April 7, 1944, of Alfred Wetzler and Walter Rosenberg (aka, Rudolf Vrba), he states:

“I had handed Alfred a plan of the crematoria with the gas chambers and a list of the names of the SS personnel who worked in the crematoria” (Müller, p.193).

The two fugitives wrote two reports on their purported experience at Auschwitz, which were published in the United States in November 1944.

In fact, a plan of Crematoria I and II (II and III according to the official German numbering) of Birkenau with the alleged "gas chambers" appears on page 15 of the report written by Alfred Wetzler, but this plan is a complete fabrication, as is demonstrated by a simple comparison with the original, whence it is clear that the originator of the drawing never set foot in the place he describes.

Mattogno, Carlo. "Auschwitz: A case of plagiarism." Journal of Historical Review. Spring, 1990; vol. 10 no. 1: p. 5.
So eyewitness Müller says that he gave eyewitness Wetzler the plans for the crematoria/gaschamber, which then became the evidence along with the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba in the WRB Report. Below is a photo of the crematoria ovens/gaschamber at Auschwitz according to the WRB Report, from p. 482 of:

Pressac, Jean-Claude. Auschwitz: Technique and operation of the gas chambers (NY: 1989). Reviewed by: Mattogno, Carlo. Winter, 1990; vol. 10 no. 4: fig. 2, p. 461. "Jean-Claude Pressac and the War Refugee Board Report"; cf. Pressac, op cit, p. 461.


Caption above: "Fig. 2. Plan and description of Birkenau crematoria of type I and II (= II and III according to the more usual numeration) according to the Vrba-Wetzler report published by the War Refugee Board. From J.C. Pressac, op.cit., p.461. At the Zündel Trial of 1985, Vrba testified that he was the author of the plan."

Do we see any resemblance in the WRB Report to the actual crematories II and III at Birkenau?

No, we do not!

Krema II diagram by Marc Downing, p. 190 in R. J. van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz: evidence from the Irving trial (IN: 2002).


It is clear that neither Müller nor Vrba knew what they were talking about.

Instead of Kremas II and III, which had five ovens (of three muffles each) in a row, with the chimney in the back and a perpendicular "gas chamber," the diagram of the crematoria/gaschamber from the WRB Report bears a striking resemblance to a circular kiln (with center chimney) as employed in various SS economic enterprises, a diagram of which appears on page 71 of The Business of Genocide by Michael Thad Allen, (NC: 2002).

It is likely that this WRB document of exterminationist fantasy was confabulated instead from a real assembly-line example of process-engineering--but one for baking bricks instead of corpses!


Does Veritas still wish to keep the self-perjured liar Dr. Rudolf Vrba as part of their corpus of evidence?

We need therefore concern ourselves here only with the technology of mass-murder at Auschwitz-Birkenau.

Any technology requires some engineering or development. At Auschwitz we have bunkers or crematoria basements with insecticide thrown in from holes chiseled into the roof or through windows. Any further technical considerations are heresy according to the Exterminationists.

One would expect that the design and construction of a gas chamber, where over one-thousand people are intended to be gassed at a time with poisonous hydrocyanic acid (HCN) from Zyklon B, would require the input from toxicologists, the fumigation manufacturers, chemists, the medical profession, and the input from an architect/engineering team consisting of all three major disciplines for the detail design/modification of the morgues.

This simply does not exist!

While it is certainly possible that one could crowd Soviet POWs slated for political execution into a room, toss in insecticide and simply wait for them to die, how does one turn this into a featured assembly-line of slaughter, as alleged, without any engineering considerations whatever?

Brigadeführer und Generalmajor der Waffen-SS Dr. -Ing Hans Kammler was Himmler's top engineer and head of Department-C, the building directorate of the WVHA, the main administrative and economic office of the SS. Increasingly Himmler was using his pool of concentration camp labor to plug gaps in Germany's wartime labor shortage and prove the SS indispensable to the war-effort. He hoped to build an economic foundation that the SS could rely upon for funding after the war when the great pools of interned labor would not be available. Kammler, who along with another military civil-engineer, Karl Bischoff, were recruited by Himmler from the Luftwaffe to head Himmler's projects. In his memoirs made in Polish captivity before his execution, Höß describes Kammler in particular as competent, imaginative and energetic; he could make-do despite wartime shortages of materials and labor and solve problems short of miracles. And there were many problems to solve associated with the rapid wartime expansion of Auschwitz in what was conceived to be a model industrial and agriculture park that Himmler had envisioned by exploiting his labor pool of wartime internees. Despite the severe wartime shortages of building materials and skilled labor, according to Höß, "nobody could have done more" than Bischoff at Auschwitz.

From Left: Bracht and Schmauser. From Right: Bischoff, Kammler, Höß, Himmler, and behind him, Peiper (Himmler's adjutant) at the Auschwitz main camp on July 17, 1942.


Typhus is rampant in wartime or other cataclysms--even today with great population movements, close quarters, privation and lack of hygiene and disrupted public infrastructure. A typhus epidemic hit German camps in 1942, and Auschwitz, located in a region of endemic typhus, was especially hard hit. Himmler had been promised a giant bag of Soviet POWs by the General Staff in 1941, but these numbers never materialized as the would-be laborers had already perished of neglect in Army cages as the war in the East ground into a winter stalemate. Thereafter the SS sought the internment of Jews to feed its forced-labor demands. But deaths from disease had to be brought under control! Two methods were especially crucial: fumigation and cremation.

During and after World War I it is estimated that over twenty-million lost their lives from typhus in Eastern Europe.

From the first paragraph of “How Charles Nicolle of the Pasteur Institute discovered that epidemic typhus is transmitted by lice: Reminiscences from my years at the Pasteur Institute in Paris.” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, v. 93:10/1996, pp. 10539-40, by Ludwik Gross, he writes:
"After World War I, 20-30 million people died in Eastern Europe from this disease, and an additional several million died during and after World War II."
The facts are that all governments employed strict typhus-control measures, and this “totalitarian ceremony" was not always well-received by the people forced to comply with the authorities. There was considerable fear, distrust, and black rumors during the war.

In 1941, Himmler's engineers were well aware of the Degesch company fumigation machinery available to delouse clothing in the fastest possible time and with the minimum amount of insecticide. All possible methods of fumigation were employed at Birkenau: hot-air, steam, hydrogen cyanide, and later even microwave ovens. A familiar steam autoclave used at an immigration control point to sterilize clothing is essentially a gaschamber where the impure goes in and the pure comes out, a veritable “River Rouge” of sanitation technology. The various methods each had advantages and disadvantages and the SS certainly tried them all, in accordance with Himmler's standing orders to reduce the death-rate in German concentration camps at any cost.

Below, a post-WWI gasmobile for fumigation and typhus control, ca. 1922.


Perhaps the best delousing material for military use was DDT powder, which dispensed with the complex rites of smearing petroleum or Lysol on the body and showering with hot water and soap while one's clothing was deloused with steam or cyanide. But DDT was in short supply for the Germans and needed in hospitals and at the front.

Into the gassing cellar! Below, a steam autoclave used at the Manly Quarantine Station in Australia, very similar to those found at German concentration camps.


Unlike in the First World War, however, hydrogen cyanide was no longer generated on-site with a cyanide salt and sulfuric acid, but instead the hydrogen cyanide, which vaporizes at room temperature, was simply absorbed into an inert carrier like diatomaceous earth or gypsum granules and sealed in a can with an expiration date. For commercial safety a pungent warning agent was added in case of leaking canisters. A 200g canister contained 200 grams of hydrocyanic acid and weighed about 600 grams including the carrier material and the metal can. This amount was used to fumigate a volume of about 10 cubic meters in Degesch fumigators.

Various sizes of Zyklon B cans were made depending on the size of the area that needed gassing. Zyklon B was thus practically ideal for fumigation of buildings because it released the deadly gas slowly and the residue was completely inert once it had given up its HCN and could merely be swept away after the area had been ventilated. One just opened up the can and dumped the bluish granules onto a sheet of paper and left. The same could be done with the fumigation of clothing left hanging in a closet or room. Hydrogen cyanide penetrated well and was extremely deadly to lice, their nits, and other vermin like fleas, ticks and rodents, that all carry and spread disease germs.

Degesch fumigation technology is not difficult to understand and Kammler and his engineers certainly understood it. The important feature is the Kreislaufprinzip or the principle of the recirculation and heating of the air inside the chamber as it blows through the impregnated granules.

A typical Degesch fumigator is shown below.


A 200g can (5) was placed into a holder by a technician and opened with a punch like a can of oil and the contents dumped into a hopper. Heated air was forced through the granules and this accelerated the evaporation and release of HCN which recirculated throughout the chamber at a rate of about 70 exchanges per hour.

When fumigation time was completed, levers were thrown to change the configuration of the air-valves and the circulation now brought in fresh air from outside and exhausted poisonous air through a chimney, where it mixed harmlessly with the outside atmosphere away from people. A fumigation cycle could be completed in about an hour.

Entire railroad cars were fumigated as well. There is not much point to delousing passengers with their clothes and baggage if they reboard the same infested vehicles. In this case a larger can of Zyklon B was used and the Kreislauf was about 30 exchanges per hour for a longer exposure time.

This particular fumigation chamber was used in Budapest and none of the diabolical Nazis evidently thought to use these gaschambers as a method to kill the Hungarian Jews interned near the end of the war and sent to labor camps or to dig bombproof tunnels for building fighter aircraft, V-2 rockets, etc., or sent to Birkenau to be killed and burned according to the legend.

A entire railcar to be fumigated is rolled into the gaschamber below and the Zyklon B from a larger canister is heated and the gas recirculated and then extracted.


This is what we should be looking for when it comes to homicidal gaschambers employing Zyklon B.

Instead we get accounts of corporals chiseling holes in the roofs of basements or dumping insecticide through attic vents, not to fumigate but to exterminate. We have stories where instant death occurs and minutes later special-teams go in to pull out the bodies to be further violated and cremated. Victim cartoons prove it!

Warning, graphic image by David Olere!

With our homicidal gas chambers, as alleged, there is no provision to heat the Zyklon B other than body heat inside a crowded death chamber, nor to recirculate the air. Incredibly, this means that even long after the victims are dead the granules are still releasing their HCN! We are simply told by van Pelt that a "powerful fan" removed the poison gas in short order.

Hydrocyanic acid is used as a means of execution in many American states, including Arizona, the last in 1999. It took 18 minutes for the last condemned man to clinically die. Opponents of capital punishment claim that death by lethal gas takes too long. They have cited data to determine how long incapacitation occurs from the time the gas "hits the face." In an execution database recorded by physicians and other observers, survival time was nine minutes to "certain unconsciousness," and "apparent unconsciousness" took as long as five minutes to occur.

Empirical evidence therefore contradicts Sonderkommano testimony that says that death for some was instantaneous as soon as the Zyklon was poured in, with the other screams dying away in a few minutes, a powerful fan then switched on and the gaschamber cleared of corpses.

With Zyklon B we need to allow time for the gas to be released; and even when the victims are all dead, unless the carrier material is heated or removed somehow it will slowly continue releasing poison for a long time, thus making ventilation impossible.

It would have been child's play for the SS engineers who built the crematories to have built a homicidal gaschamber employing the proven technologies of Degesch fumigation the same as the Topf & Sons cremation ovens.

But this is not supported by the evidence!

Instead, the Allied blackbag intelligence operatives and their legal warriors in the warcrimes trials were not engineers and they left wide technical gaps in the liturgy. It is no wonder that for decades the technical problems in the Exterminationist story were not even addressed by mainstream historians.

The ventilation for the corpse undressing room and the morgue in both of the basements of Kremas II and III was about 9-16 exchanges per hour, certainly not any powerful extraction system. The air was passively warmed to prevent freezing of the morgue and air circulation was about the minimum amount necessary to meet German building requirements for heavy body storage in a cool basement. Even if the morgues had been converted for homicide later, as was argued by Pressac, it would have been simple to fabricate the ductwork necessary to heat and recirculate air through the Zyklon granules to ensure rapid release of HCN, adequate mixing, and then extraction.

But the story is painted into a corner with holes in roofs and wire-mesh introduction devices and OSS/CIA wartime aerial photos purporting to show the vent holes to introduce insecticide through the roofs.

Kremas IV and V, also at Birkenau, didn't even have that feature and purportedly used natural ventilation for their above-ground gaschambers. The technicians of death supposedly climbed ladders to toss in insecticide through the windows near the roof. And while it is relatively easy to kill people, where is the "process engineering" for a scale of thousands of victims churned through this "River Rouge" of industrial annihilation like hot rolls?

During a period in May, 1944 while the Hungarian action was supposedly going on and thousands were being gassed and burned in the open at Birkenau, there is no activity on the wartime aerial photo to show for it.

Birkenau, May 31, 1944.

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Any competent engineer could have built a real homicidal gaschamber capable of mass-murder using Zyklon B just the same as processing articles of clothing. Another method would have been to employ gas-generators for making carbon monoxide on-site from woodchips or coal. The gas would be blown through a venturi to mix with air at the optimum concentration without hazard of explosion; it would either be recirculated at the proper concentration or supplied and exhausted constantly at that concentration, and then ventilated with fresh air. An example of a gas-generator to produce carbon monoxide for vehicle fuel is shown below. Thousands of wartime vehicles used woodgas for fuel. After building the Kremas, Dr. Kammler was placed in charge of all Nazi secret weapons from turbojets to rockets--and this ain't rocket science, folks. Even Hitler understood wood-gas technology, as he promoted it heavily to save liquid fuels for tactical military use! A slogan actually used during the war was Kraft durch Gas: Strength through Gas!


There simply is not any technical support for any assembly-line murder factory at Auschwitz/Birkenau.

But why did the Germans build crematoria except for homicide?

First of all, the Germans built crematoria ovens and not industrial incinerators such as might be used to dispose of the carcasses of diseased cattle. Crematories are designed so that the fuel is not mixed with the ashes and bones of the corpses--so that the “cremains” of one body are kept separate from the next. For this reason they do not make the most efficient use of fuel, and the process of cremation takes a given amount of time depending on the heat conserved from previous serial cremations.

This is not the place for a long technical discussion on cremation physics; that has already been done thoroughly by Carlo Mattogno.

The notion of unusual rates of body-disposal from the crematories built at Birkenau to control disease is pure fantasy.

A good ballpark figure for the cremation of a cadaver is about an hour, and a daily operation of 20 hours with 4 hours for cleaning and maintenance should be considered a theoretical maximum. If the Germans were able to keep their equipment operational for half this time on average that should be considered optimistic by anyone who has any experience with the operation of complex machinery.

With six muffles at Auschwitz I and fifteen each at Kremas II and III, and eight each at Kremas IV and V, not all of which were always capable of operation, nor ever actually in simultaneous service, that is 52 muffles total--which gives us a maximum theoretical disposal rate of 1,040 corpses per day in twenty hours of operation, or actually 520 with an optimistic duty-cycle of fifty-percent.

Remember that at Belsen at the end of the war the British were disposing of about 500 deaths per day in mass graves. Contamination of groundwater with the high water table at Auschwitz discouraged mass-graves and the camp already experienced a death-rate during the epidemic of 1942 of about 200 or 300 per day, with the camp slated to grow fast. This was an urgent engineering problem to solve.

Krema II was ordered in 1941 for the Stammlager main camp to add fifteen muffles to the six of Krema I, but was built at Birkenau instead. A second crematoria, Krema III, was ordered, with two more of a cheaper design to follow. It was still potentially not enough because the ovens kept breaking down. The chimney of Krema I for example could not take the heat and load from its six muffles, as the crematorium was originally designed for only four.

If the 52 muffles of Auschwitz-Birkenau were in working order and available at Belsen, originally a small camp with only one oven, they could have barely coped with the epidemic that the British found upon liberation. So much for fantastic body disposal rates as a "criminal trace" for mass-murder!

And this is supported by the deliveries of fuel coke to Birkenau as well unless one wants to believe absurdly that only about 4 kilograms are needed on average to cremate each body.

The Exterminationists are therefore forced to rely upon the wildcard of open-air cremations to dispose of the bodies, as no doubt was employed during the epidemic in 1942 and any time when an unpredictable number of dead from disease or overwork could not be handled by the unreliable crematories. The Kremas could only handle batches of so many at once.

But burning bodies, stacks of bodies, is not proof of mass-murder, nor is burning infested clothing. Thorough archaeological investigations should tell us more, in ballpark terms, about the scale of body disposal at concentration camps and whether it supports the fantastic Genocide claims that have been made.

No human endeavor can be accomplished without leaving a trace. The historian is challenged because empirical observations cannot be made by the investigator at the time of occurrence as one might observe a supernova from eons past in his telescope. But there is physical evidence remnant from ancient civilizations, sometimes even seen from outer space, and despite whether recorded documentation even exists. Thus a tremendous amount can be learned by open-minded investigators. Newer methods of historiography seek to incorporate the methods of a variety of disciplines.

The blueprints of the crematories found in Soviet archives and the fumigation machinery already available to the German engineers cannot be put into context with the Allied Greuelpropaganda and the tapestry of Allied lies that form the basis of the Holocaust insofar as industrialized mass-murder is concerned. Just as evidence is left on the windy plains of ancient Troy, which could not even have been imagined by the perpetrators of history, let alone destroyed without a trace just to fool us, so it is with the Third Reich.

Nazi gassings never happened, at least not on any kind of industrial scale at Auschwitz/Birkenau. The evidence and the accounts of "perpetrators, victims, and bystanders" from various political trials is clear on this, and despite any efforts to make square pegs fit into round holes.

It is very much in the interest of any reasonable person concerned with this historical problem to find out dispassionately what did NOT happen and what DID happen, and to abandon any perfunctory liturgy and teleology of supposed comic book Genocide.

To put it bluntly, atrocity propaganda is not helpful to the truth nor to the building of the peace.

To say that there was no factory of extermination at Auschwitz-Birkenau is not to say that wartime internment or forced labor was a picnic. With or without execution gaschambers, if a Kapo or a German mocked inmates with the otherwise very real idea that they might be "destined for the smokestack," this does not in any way lessen the horror of wartime confinement and exploitation--nor does it absolve the Allies of their role in one of the world's greatest tragedies, a war which killed and destroyed millions.

Therefore, the proposition:

"Resolved, at Auschwitz/Birkenau between 1941 and 1944, a) people were killed in homicidal gas chambers employing Zyklon B, and b) this killing claimed hundreds of thousands of victims." NOT PROVED, and therefore resolved in the NEGATIVE.

The "River Rouge" of Nazi mass-gassings at Auschwitz-Birkenau never happened!


"Gas Chambers for Robert Faurisson: Answers to a Challenge," by Friedrich Paul Berg.

"The German Delousing Chambers," by Friedrich Paul Berg.

"Typhus and the Jews," by Friedrich Paul Berg.

"Zyklon B, Auschwitz, and Bruno Tesch," by Dr. William B. Lindsey.

"Auschwitz: A case of plagiarism," by Carlo Mattogno.

"AUSCHWITZ: The End of a Legend," by Carlo Mattogno.

"The Crematoria Ovens of Auschwitz and Birkenau," by Carlo Mattogno.

"Jean-Claude Pressac and the War Refugee Board Report," a review by Carlo Mattogno.

The Negationist Team now awaits the Veritas Team response.

Denial of generally known historical facts should not be punishable. For those who maintain, for instance, that Germany did not take part in World War I or that Adenauer fought at Issus in 333, their own stupidity is punishment enough. The same should apply to the denial of the horrors and crimes of the recent German past.
~ A German jurist by the name of Baumann in the German juridical magazine NJW, quoted in: Bailer-Galanda/Benz/Neugebauer (ed.), Die Auschwitzleugner, Berlin 1996, page 261 (my translation).