Archaeological & forensic studies of the AR camp sites

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Re: Archaeological & forensic studies of the AR camp sites

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Turnagain wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:03 pm
No, GPR scans and some core samples would do just fine...
Except when that is done and it proves large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains and then you dimiss it.
... but kikes have covered all the alleged grave sites with debris and investigatory barriers. In legal terms, this is known as "spoliation" or the hiding or destruction of evidence and is considered an admission of guilt.
The reason why we are having this debate is because of Nazi spoliation of the evidence. They should have left the bodies buried and not cremated them and they should have left the buildings reported as gas chambers in tact.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Re: Archaeological & forensic studies of the AR camp sites

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Nessie:
The summary of the Belzec study reports; "The total surface of the mass graves is estimated at 21,000 cubic metres." or 8.4 Olympic sized swimming pools... The 1945 Polish study at TII reported and area of 2 hectares and one excavation went down 7m... Denier claims that not enough has been found to claim mass cremations must have happened, are not based on any actual study. They are just assertions which play down the areas of disturbed ground and cremated remains that have been found... The only way to satisfy deniers would be to do a massive sieving operation, digging up thousands of tons and separating cremain and earth and then quantifying the amount of cremains. Even if that was done, deniers would find an excuse to dismiss the results as soon as became apparent that there are very large quantities.
Nessie;

A - Is it - True. - or - False. - that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec and Treblinka II - ??

B - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

C - Can it be conclusively proven that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that huge pits were dug and utilized as mass graves at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

D - Is it - True. - or - False. - that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - ??

E - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

F - Can it be conclusively proven that it has been alleged in orthodox historiography and/or the media that mass graves have been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

G - Is it - True. - or - False. - that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - ??

H - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

I - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec and Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at one or more of the following camps: Belzec or Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??


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#1 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: __?__.

#5 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: __?__.


#6 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: __?__.

#10 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: __?__.


#11 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of more than 6 human beings: __?__.

#15 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of more than 6 human beings: __?__.


#16 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 21 human beings: __?__.

#20 - List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 21 human beings: __?__.


#21 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.

#25 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.


#26 - Of the 48 alleged graves / cremation pits of Belzec and Treblinka II in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.

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Nessie:
The reason why we are having this debate is because of Nazi spoliation of the evidence. They should have left the bodies buried and not cremated them and they should have left the buildings reported as gas chambers in tact.
Have uncremated bodies ever been discovered at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

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Nessie:
The only way to prove what is at the camps is from evidence from the camps.
https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=232 ... count=2847

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Nessie wrote:
Except when that is done and it proves large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains and then you dimiss it.

There are three separate descriptions of the mass graves at Treblinka. Nobody has located any such graves. CS-C claimed to have found some irregularly shaped holes of unknown depth. That is apparently why she stated that she would return at a later date to locate the graves. That was in 2012 and she's been a no-show since then. Nobody has core sampled any of the rabbit holes for cremains.

That is Nessie's characteristic weasel dodge in action. There are "large areas of disturbed ground" but no GPR results for any ground disturbances that match the descriptions of the three eyewitnesses. Nessie has applied a number of weasel dodges to explain why the GPR scans don't match the descriptions by the eyewitnesses none of which are believable or scientifically possible.

Then we have the cremains. There are a tiny handful of bone shards that have been found on the surface at Treblinka. None of the shards have been laboratory tested to see if they are, in fact, human cremains. In addition, Jews have been dumping the cremains of relatives at Treblinka for an unknown length of time. No graves as described by the eyewitnesses have ever been located nor has any layers of cremains been shown to exist.

That, boys and girls, is why Nessie claims that I just "dismiss" his evidence of graves and cremains at Treblinka.

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Nessie wrote:
The reason why we are having this debate is because of Nazi spoliation of the evidence. They should have left the bodies buried and not cremated them and they should have left the buildings reported as gas chambers in tact.
There are no graves nor cremains of hundreds of thousands of Jews at Treblinka. Nessie will now begin his whine of, "If the Jews weren't steamed/gassed/vacuumed in hermetically sealed chambers, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque, where did they gooooo?"

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Turnagain wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:44 pm
Nessie wrote:
The reason why we are having this debate is because of Nazi spoliation of the evidence. They should have left the bodies buried and not cremated them and they should have left the buildings reported as gas chambers in tact.
There are no graves nor cremains of hundreds of thousands of Jews at Treblinka. Nessie will now begin his whine of, "If the Jews weren't steamed/gassed/vacuumed in hermetically sealed chambers, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque, where did they gooooo?"
Why is when I ask you to provide evidence to back up your claims of no mass graves or cremains at TII and instead hundreds of thousands of people left the camp to be accommodated elsewhere, my request is dismissed as whining? The normal standard for any claim made is that the burden to evidence and prove that claim is on the claimant.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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WillDak wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:42 pm
#26 - Of the 48 alleged graves / cremation pits of Belzec and Treblinka II in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.
This style of questioning is very similar to what the poster Bulldog commissioned in his stay here.
Bulldog wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 6:07 pm
#24 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.

Of course Walter, Earl Hanson, Greg Gerdes, Shelby, Hanna Hasbara, SFinesilver, Norm and perhaps a few others have very similar posting styles with similar content. It is very interesting to read the chronicles as they progress over time. Though of course Depth Check has waded into the mire to stop things becoming out of hand.
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I will not allow the N.A.F.H. Crime Scene Investigation Challenge ™, or elements of it, to be spammed across the entire HGD&D forum.

Challenges to Greg Gerdes or Hanna Hasbara should be made in the NAFCASH Challenge topic.
In all cases until recently Roberto has been hammer and tongs at presenting their version of truth, alongside Das Prussian and Duke Umeroffen, now long lost in the mists of time. Nessie of course could never resist the urgent need to expound his version of reality using normal confabulation, contradictory exposee and irregularities; with some finesse of course. :P

I hope some progress can be made this round.


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Nessie wrote:
The normal standard for any claim made is that the burden to evidence and prove that claim is on the claimant.
OK, let's see your evidence for the existence of hermetically sealed steam/gas/vacuum chambers, the mass graves as described by the alleged eyewitnesses and the cremains from the magic Jew barbeque.

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Re: Archaeological & forensic studies of the AR camp sites

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Huntinger wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 5:55 pm
WillDak wrote:
Wed Jan 13, 2021 4:42 pm
#26 - Of the 48 alleged graves / cremation pits of Belzec and Treblinka II in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.
This style of questioning is very similar to what the poster Bulldog commissioned in his stay here.
Bulldog wrote:
Mon May 04, 2020 6:07 pm
#24 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can prove currently contains the most human remains - is number: __?__.

The questions are lifted straight out of Thisisaboutscience.com's THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX - Mass Graves / Buried Remains - Forensic Evaluation Form:

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=232 ... count=2847

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