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A few buildings left next to the road for the guard and that is it. The rest of the camp is just a gap in the woods. No fences, no buildings, nothing.
There never was much there ever. The building in the lower left were there in 1942 and there in 1944. The photos are verified; they are not the same ones. If you have other photos of that era which tell a different story then present. The 42 photo gives exactly the same information of lager 1 that Niemann presented in his set.
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Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
Look very carefully one can see buildings in the lower left; these are the ones in all the photos. The photos do not lie. A transit camp would expect to get people, assemble them in one area, process them and send the processed to another area of similar size then move them out.
Look very carefully one can see buildings in the lower left; these are the ones in all the photos. The photos do not lie. A transit camp would expect to get people, assemble them in one area, process them and send the processed to another area of similar size then move them out.
I have shown you evidence to prove Sobibor was more than just those few buildings in 1942-3 and I would remind you, no denier has ever produced any evidence to prove daily mass transports back out of the camp, or evidence from inside the camp to prove it was a transit camp.
The photos are the same and one has been mis-captioned with the wrong years. That is the camp after it has been dismantled, burying what was left and where the guard lived.
Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
I have shown you evidence to prove Sobibor was more than just those few buildings in 1942-3 and I would remind you, no denier has ever produced any evidence to prove daily mass transports back out of the camp, or evidence from inside the camp to prove it was a transit camp.
The photos are the same and one has been mis-captioned with the wrong years. That is the camp after it has been dismantled, burying what was left and where the guard lived.
The Photos are not the same; the evidence you have presented is just gossip and nothing more. This is not about how these people left part three of the camp after processing but can be related to how customs processed other people prior to this.
Everything is the photos are the same except some minor differences in shadows and quality. Even in the 1944 photos there are still about 20 or so buildings. Hardly razing. BTW one cannot raze empty fields.
I have shown you evidence to prove Sobibor was more than just those few buildings in 1942-3 and I would remind you, no denier has ever produced any evidence to prove daily mass transports back out of the camp, or evidence from inside the camp to prove it was a transit camp.
The photos are the same and one has been mis-captioned with the wrong years. That is the camp after it has been dismantled, burying what was left and where the guard lived.
The Photos are not the same; the evidence you have presented is just gossip and nothing more. This is not about how these people left part three of the camp after processing but can be related to how customs processed other people prior to this.
Everything is the photos are the same except some minor differences in shadows and quality. Even in the 1944 photos there are still about 20 or so buildings. Hardly razing. BTW one cannot raze empty fields.
The photos are clearly the same. The documents are not gossip. The photo clearly shows cleared forest and no buildings for 90% of the camp, same as happened at TII and Belzec.
Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
The photo clearly shows cleared forest and no buildings for 90% of the camp, same as happened at TII and Belzec.
Here is a photo of the complex in 1941 as a forestry complex before it was sequestered.
Compare this to the 1942 43 photo.
If you compared that to what you claim is the 1944 photo, then all you have is the Nazis cleared some forest next to a few buildings, without ever building a camp. How did that function as a customs transit camp? Show your evidence.
Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
If you compared that to what you claim is the 1944 photo, then all you have is the Nazis cleared some forest next to a few buildings, without ever building a camp. How did that function as a customs transit camp? Show your evidence.
It is clear that this forestry area never changed much before during or after. There is little evidence of razing.
The question of functioning is not relevant to this topic. The buildings claimed in the maps of Sobibor were never there.
The building in camp one of the Niemann photo are not there, nor are they in any of the air shots. The buildings in camp two are not there though there is some sort of structure in the pre German occupation. For some reason a third part of forestry was cleared. The V indentation in all the photos is not in the diagram. Nothing was razed; the function is irrelevant to this topic. It was always cleared land.
If you compared that to what you claim is the 1944 photo, then all you have is the Nazis cleared some forest next to a few buildings, without ever building a camp. How did that function as a customs transit camp? Show your evidence.
It is clear that this forestry area never changed much before during or after. There is little evidence of razing.
The question of functioning is not relevant to this topic. The buildings claimed in the maps of Sobibor were never there.
The building in camp one of the Niemann photo are not there, nor are they in any of the air shots. The buildings in camp two are not there though there is some sort of structure in the pre German occupation. For some reason a third part of forestry was cleared. The V indentation in all the photos is not in the diagram. Nothing was razed; the function is irrelevant to this topic. It was always cleared land.
OK, now you say there was never a camp at Sobibor, despite the references to a camp in documents, the aerial photos of cleared land, the recent photos of Sobibor and all the witnesses who say they lived and worked at the camp.
Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.