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Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO)

Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2020 5:48 pm
by Huntinger
The Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO) was established by Nazi Germany in 1941 during World War II. It became the civilian occupation regime in the Baltic states (Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania) and the western part of the Byelorussian Soviet Socialist Republic.
Ostland in Deutsche means "East Country"; Reichskommissariat is the German designation for a type of administrative entity headed by a government official known as a Reichskommissar; the reality is that they are quasi-colonial administrative territorial entities. In a legal sense they are outside of the German Reich.

Korherr in his report mentions many evacuees, specifically he mentions the "Russian East" in reference to juden evacuated from Poland; der russischen Osten
(German Version)
There is much talk of transports of Juden not going past the borders at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec; the implication that because there is no evidence of transportation the only conclusion is mass murder; it is clear there is a dearth of transportation records for any konzentrationslager.

Wiki states the following:
At the time of the German invasion in June 1941 there were significant Jewish minorities in Ostland — nearly 480,000 people. To these were added deportees from Austria, Germany, and elsewhere.
Jews were confined to Nazi ghettos in Riga and Kauen, which rapidly became overcrowded and squalid.

The deportees mentioned above in yellow were the ones mentioned in the Korherr report. There is much talk of million of juden being murdered in Ostland mainly by bullets, gaskammer are not the fashion it would seem in the Russian East.
However, just before the German occupation the Russian NKVD had murdered 250 000+ people in Kurapaty near Minsk; in the RKU they murdered another 30,000 juden near Vinnytsia; these people had deported the Reich after the German invasion of Poland.

It appears that the endless discussion on Treblinka, Sobibor is a deliberate diversion to stop the discussion of what happened, what really happened in the Russian East apart from the necessary actions of the Einsatzgruppe; sure there were dead people, lot of em, but who really did the murdering? and why?

Many people get defensive when the discussion of Russian culpability comes to the fore. Carlos Porter's book Made in Russia: The Holocaust, helps explain and points a finger; this great piece of work is a compilation of the dozens of allegedly incredible or implausible Holocaust claims advanced by the Allies - particularly the Soviets - at the International\ Military Tribunal. Read this information in conjunction with any discussion here. download pdf for free

It is time to get passed the borders of the General Government and look at the reality of the Russian East; the truth of the incredible claims; claims made by juden themselves or the Soviets.
This thread is for serious discussion past the borders of the General Government and may include the Reichskommissariat Ukraine or the actions of Einsatzgruppe or mention of any transports to the GG.

Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO)

Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:59 pm
by Huntinger
Korherr made it quite clear most of the deportations to the East took place in 1942, which does not negate the deportations made prior to this (or emigration).
Korherr report:
Here are some more from Germany, only the post Barbarossa figures in 1942 have been included:
The following statistic stems from Wolfgang Scheffler und Diana Schulle, Book of Remembrance. The German, Austrian and Czecho-Slovakian Jews deported to the Baltic States, Munich: De Gruyter, 2003:
09.01.1942 Theresienstadt 1005 12.01.1942
11.01.1942 Wien 1000 15.01.1942
13.01.1942 Berlin 1034 16.01.1942
15.01.1942 Theresienstadt 997 19.01.1942
19.01.1942 Berlin 1002 23.01.1942
21.01.1942 Leipzig – Dresden 773 24.01.1942
25.01.1942 Berlin 1044 30.01.1942
26.01.1942 Wien 1201 31.01.1942
27.01.1942 Gelsenkirchen – Dortmund 938 01.02.1942
06.02.1942 Wien 1003 10.02.1942
15.08.1942 Berlin 938 18.08.1942
20.08.1942 Theresienstadt 1000 Nicht bekannt
31.08.1942 Berlin – Insterburg 797 03.09.1942
19.10.1942 Berlin 959 22.10.1942
26.10.1942 Berlin 798 29.10.1942
In total 24612

This is clear evidence these people bypassed Treblinka and Sobibor,to Ostland, some to arrive in Belarus known as Generalbezirk Weißruthenien, how they got there is unknown; what is a fact is that crossing the border of the General Government they had to be processed by customs; the customs in Malkinia had been relocated to Bialystok while Wlodawa ZGs near Sobibor was still functional being on the border.

The Belarus Digest has more to say on Reich deportations (evacuations, evictions) from the Reich.
BelarusDigest said:
Historians estimate that over 800,000 Jewish people died in Belarus during WWII, among them about 90,000 European Jews deported from Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Hungary, France and Poland. In contrast, today only about 30,000 Jews call Belarus.

Belarus currently has a population of 10 million with 30 thousand juden. (0.3% population). It is claimed in the report that:
At least a third of the population of nearly all Belarusian cities used to be Jewish.

According to the demographics of Belarus the country suffered a dramatic decline during World War II, dropping from more than 9 million in 1940 to 7.7 million in 1951; this is a loss 1.9 million (1.1 million goy, 0.8 million juden) if the numbers are to be believed. A third of 9 million is 3 million which means that 2.2 million juden survived.
Is that data to be believed :?:
The census of 1926 and 1939 tell a different story. Demographics of Belarus
According to the 1939 statistics there were 375,092 Juden, which makes up 6.7% of the population of 5,568,994 people

Not only are the number of juden exaggerated to have lived in Belarus but so is the overall population claimed to have
been more than 9 million in 1940 to 7.7 million in 1951. This discrepancy from 9 million from the reality of 5,568,994 is a wopping 3.43 million.

Here is the real population of Belarus as a function of time:
The reality is the the following:
Population pre war: 5,568,994
juden 375,092 6.7%

The claim above by BelarusDigest: Historians estimate that over 800,000 Jewish people died in Belarus during WWII, among them about 90,000 European Jews deported from Austria, Germany, the Netherlands, Hungary, France and Poland. must be flawed; this is 424,908 more juden than what there was in the country in 1939.

From this flawed data there is no reason why 424, 908 juden could not be part of Korherr's 1,449,692 evacuees to the Russian East. This is just Belarus, there are plenty of other territories to send the other 1,024,784 chosen ones to.

Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO)

Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:27 pm
by Huntinger
The data in the tables above show that there were 375,092 juden in Беларусь (Byelorussian SSR then Generalbezirk Weißruthenien) in 1939; this was with a population of 5,568,994 people. 6.7% of the total population.
The Demographics of Belarus state the following:
The Holocaust decimated the Jewish population in Belarus, and after World War II, in 1959, Jews accounted for only 1.9% of the population
Lets examine this potentially misleading statement a little further.

Compare and contrast the figure above with later statistical data as in the table below:
It can be seen immediately that the census of 1959, some twenty years later shows jüdische population at 150,084, a loss of 225,008 juden from the 1939 figure, but the population had increased 2.49 million to 8,055,700, a slightly different set of statistical data gives the following:

According to Wiki Belarus:
lost about 25% of its population, during the German occupation or 1.39 million people (Wiki says 1.6 million, a nice rounding up). This would leave the population at 4.3 million immediately post war. Twenty years later the population is
8,055,700 which is almost doubled. Unless somehow that supplied data is wrong or there was massive immigration a 100% increase of a population in twenty years is impossible. This is also with the knowledge that only 56% of the population was in the fertility bracket. (age 15-55). The mind boggles at what those people got up to in the Shtetls on those cold winter nights.

There has been a slow decrease of juden in Belarus. in 1989 the population of juden was 111,975 but ten years later this dropped to a significant 27,800 a loss of 84,175.
It is clear that this was a continuing trend.

Statements like the following are made without much further checking:
American historian Lucy Dawidowicz, author of The War Against the Jews estimated that 66% of the Jews residing in Byelorussian SSR died in the Holocaust, out of 375,000 Jews in Byelorussia prior to World War II according to Soviet data. By comparison, in the Baltic states about 90% of Jews were killed in the same period.

There were 375,092 juden, which means that a loss of 66% claimed would leave 127,531, which could be right due to the 1959 census adding 22,553 people. The breeding habits of the "chosen ones" could make this small addition possible.
The total population of the country has been highly exaggerated from 5.57 million to 9 million. The post war claim is that there were only 7 million left. Such statements as the following:
The population of Belarus suffered a dramatic decline during World War II, dropping from more than 9 million in 1940 to 7.7 million in 1951. It then resumed its long-term growth, rising to 10 million in 1999.

5.57 million (1939) is the total population figure for the Belarussian SSR (current Eastern portion of Belarus)
The blue lines shows the partition between what used to be Poland and what is now Belarus, the West of this is the area of interest as this is where der Juden from the alleged AR camps went; the vacant land left by the massive waves of Soviet Deportations. After the war this area of Poland became part of the Soviet empire.

As there were 9 million in the total area and 5.56 million in the BSSR. this means the population of the Polish area was 3.44 million. We know that:
In 1940 and the first half of 1941, the Soviets deported a total of more than 1,200,000 Poles in four waves of mass deportations from the Soviet-occupied Polish territories. taking 38.8% of Polish Juden. Immediately there is a population loss leaving 2.24 million people in the area which were eventually over run by the Reich. This means in the area currently known as Belarus there would be 7.8 million people.

The statement:
The population of Belarus suffered a dramatic decline during World War II, dropping from more than 9 million in 1940 to 7.7 million in 1951.
is correct, being out by my calculation by 1.3%. It is misleading, making it appear that the losses were a single country taking a massive hit from the Reich due to massive civilian atrocities.
This is not true.

The losses in population are due for the most part due to the Polish Deportation to Siberia by the Soviets; those Polish population figures have been added to the figures for Belarus and added to the total losses.

The reality is that once the Soviet deportation are taken into account the population of Belarus should be 7.8 million; the reported statistic is 7.7 million which is a loss of 100,000 civilians.

Einsatzgruppe B, operated in the area, cleaning up terrorist activity behind the Wehrmacht report that Ukrainian and Belarusian Juden were killed by fellow Ukrainians and Belarusians.

There was no Holocaust in Belarus.

Reichskommissariat Ostland (RKO)

Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 6:52 pm
by Huntinger
From esri

The exact number deported by the Soviets is unknown; the minimum number hovers around 1.7 million (amongst those a huge number of juden)
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago writes:
From the beginnings of Stalin’s post-revolution government, and under his direct command, millions of people have been starved, deported, imprisoned, and tormented. The expansive gulag system consisted of hundreds of prisons across Soviet lands, and for the millions who were deported, “home” became desolate, back-breaking camps in the most remote areas of Kazakhstan, Siberia, and other areas far from civilization. Over 3.3 million people were deported to Soviet settlements in the east and north during the Second World War , and almost half died of either disease or malnutrition.

From 1930-1953, it is estimated that over 6 million peasants and ethnic minorities were deported, the majority consisting of ethnic groups. Comparably, from 1921-1953, approximately 4 million were sentenced for political offenses, and 6 million were arrested . In that same time period, it is estimated that roughly 18 million people were in the gulag system.

Between 1937 and 1938, over 70,000 Ukrainians were shot outright as kulaks, whether any proof of a crime existed at all.
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn goes on to say:
“Between 1941 and 1950, more than 377,554 exiles perished in special settlements. More than one out of every ten people deported to special settlements died during their confinement."
The Soviet regime’s paranoia effectively removed approximately two million people from their homes and dispersed them away from the USSR’s borders. The thirteen ethnicities targeted had either ties to foreign nations or a historical pattern of resistance against Russia’s might, and so they were deemed a threat to the state.
Stalin deported roughly 900,000 Soviet Germans along with 90,000 Finns in 1941-1942, and over 40,000 died in their exile . Stalin’s security chief Lavrenty Beria recommended the deportation of whole peoples accused of collaborating with the Germans. During and after the war, over 12 million Germans lost their homes.
From the above (and more), it is likely that any people found in the area East of the Bug river, new to the area after being evicted by the Reich would have found themselves evicted once more by the Soviets. The Soviets had 18 million in their Gulag system.