Why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews?

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Re: Why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews?

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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:16 pm


I am using internment and POW camps as examples of how you can evidence and prove that people were not killed, so exposing the idiocy of been-there's claim it is logically impossible to prove people were not killed.
Then why do you insist that they were killed?

If you want to do so surely you would have to account for each and every one and prove that zyklon b is capable of such a feat?


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The Jewish Man wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 1:04 pm
First of all, I am Jewish and proud. I have no shame in my Jewish ancestry and I consider myself to be a Jew. My maternal grandparents were killed at Auschwitz. I hate Nazis and neo-Nazis.

Apart from the scapegoating of Jews, why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews? The Nazis killed millions of Jews, including women, men and children.

Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Nazis killed millions of Jews? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?
First of all, I am a German Socialist and proud. I have no shame in my nazi ancestry and I consider myself to be a nazi. My maternal grandparents were killed at Auschwitz. I hate Bolsheviks and Communists.

Apart from the scapegoating of nazis, why did the Bolsheviks hate and kill Germans? The Soviets killed millions of Germans, including women, men and children.

Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Soviets killed millions of innocent Germans? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?

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Clincher wrote:
Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Soviets killed millions of innocent Germans? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?
You might also ask why Eisenhower killed as many as 750,000 to 1,000,000 German POW in his Rhineland death camps. He avoided the Geneva agreements by declaring the prisoners to be DEF, Disarmed Enemy Forces and not Prisoners of War.

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Re: Why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews?

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The Jewish Man wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 11:38 pm
How about the regular posters on here answer the the question of the thread?
What's a regular poster? Is this bowel motions? If you are regular but irregular in manner does this count. What is a nazi? What on earth is a joo.
Can you be a joo or nazi by proxy or is this ordained from high?
As there is no real question what could the answer be?

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MrOlonzo wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 8:16 pm


I am using internment and POW camps as examples of how you can evidence and prove that people were not killed, so exposing the idiocy of been-there's claim it is logically impossible to prove people were not killed.
Then why do you insist that they were killed?
Because it is evidenced that they were killed and there is no evidence for the only alternative to them being killed, which was they left the camps and were transported and accommodated elsewhere, until liberation.
If you want to do so surely you would have to account for each and every one and prove that zyklon b is capable of such a feat?
A good example of accounting for each and every one, is the Dutch Jews. The Dutch kept very good records when their Jewish population was registered. Records of those sent to Westerbork and then onwards to Sobibor show all the details of the 34,313 who went;

https://www.sobibor.org/en/de-negentien-transporten/

After the war, only 18 survivors have been traced. The Netherlands was a good place for Jews to live, compared to many places, due to its tolerance. The Jews there were relatively well off and they were safe. For only 18 people to return, when deniers claim none of those 34,313 were gassed, needs explaining. Unless you can evidence and prove those people were not gassed and where they went to instead, I am going with the evidence that they were gassed.

As for your suggestion Zyklon B would not have worked, gas masks, a ventilation system, a mesh insertion device, gas proof doors and a gas detection device were recorded for use in the Kremas. Of course securing people inside such a space and introducing Zyklon B would kill them.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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clincher wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 11:59 pm
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Apart from the scapegoating of nazis, why did the Bolsheviks hate and kill Germans? The Soviets killed millions of Germans, including women, men and children.
Stalin and Hitler were enemies. Before that there had been a long history of conflict between Germany and Russia, most recently as WWI. The Soviets killed millions of Germans, when the Nazis invaded and killed millions of Soviets, including women and children.
Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Soviets killed millions of innocent Germans? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?
No one denies that, since it is evidenced to have happened. Denial stands alone in demanding belief in something that is not evidenced to have happened. Can you explain that?
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews?

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 12:34 am
Clincher wrote:
Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Soviets killed millions of innocent Germans? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?
You might also ask why Eisenhower killed as many as 750,000 to 1,000,000 German POW in his Rhineland death camps. He avoided the Geneva agreements by declaring the prisoners to be DEF, Disarmed Enemy Forces and not Prisoners of War.
https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instan ... 945-m.html

"In Ambrose’s summary of the conference’s findings, he writes that Bacque misreads, misinterprets, and even ignores much of the documentation of the Rheinwiesenlager. Bacque claims the American’s used the category of “other losses” in their records of prisoners to hide the deaths of some one million people.
Ambrose writes that hundreds of thousands of people under this heading that Bacque supposed dead were actually young boys and old men from the Volkssturm (People’s Militia) who were released. These, along with those transferred between different zones in Germany which Bacque didn’t mention, debunk the idea that so many thousands in “other losses” were wide-spread murder and death.
In total, it is thought that the mortality rate in the camps was as high as one percent and that no more than 56,000 German prisoners died."

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-styl ... 47922.html

"Bacque's 30 per cent death rate for US-held prisoners was a generalisation based on a typing error; all other figures in the document in question indicate a 3 per cent rate. The overall rate was 1 per cent (about 56,000)."
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 11:38 am
"Bacque's 30 per cent death rate for US-held prisoners was a generalisation based on a typing error; all other figures in the document in question indicate a 3 per cent rate. The overall rate was 1 per cent (about 56,000)."
How convenient. This is a cover up story.


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Re: Why did the Nazis hate and kill Jews?

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon May 25, 2020 12:34 am
Clincher wrote:
Does anyone on this forum genuinely deny that the Soviets killed millions of innocent Germans? If you do, can you please explain to me, why?
You might also ask why Eisenhower killed as many as 750,000 to 1,000,000 German POW in his Rhineland death camps. He avoided the Geneva agreements by declaring the prisoners to be DEF, Disarmed Enemy Forces and not Prisoners of War.
and yet you cant find 1 credible eye witness to this, and where are the cadavers? i hope you're not going to imply they were all cremated in some magical kraut barbecue ;) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

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Boyar wrote:
Tue May 26, 2020 12:05 pm
and yet you cant find 1 credible eye witness to this, and where are the cadavers? i hope you're not going to imply they were all cremated in some magical kraut barbecue ;) extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence
The claim is that they were cremated using the Floss method which is scientifically impossible. You have more chance of blowing up the Eiffel tower from a thunderbolt from a parrots tongue than anything resembling those pyres working. That aside there is neither the ground space nor evidence of cremains to justify that conclusion.


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