Are there any Reinhardt camp guards, Einsatzgruppen personnel, etc who said killings of Jews didn't happen?

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Regardless of what some faceless guard did or didn't say, those disturbingly normal Germans were keenly aware, if not hypnotized by he of one ball. Examples of the one-testicled wunderkind flaunting his singularity of purpose?

"Strikingly, with the shift toward the final solution in the latter part of 1941, these officials sensed a new direction and acted upon it. Browning notes: "when zealous administrators like Luther were desperately trying to anticipate the will of the Fuhrer in the Jewish Question... A CHAIN OF COMMAND REQUIRING OBEDIENCE TO THE FUHRERS ORDERS WAS SUPERFLUOUS. Initiative from below obviated the necessity for orders from above."

The Holocaust In History citing Browning, German Foreign Office and the Final Solution


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"At a certain point, the machine needed no operator. It required no master plan and blueprint, 'In the final analysis the destruction of the Jews was not so much a product of laws and commands as it was a matter of spirit, of shared comprehension, of consonance and syncronization." This human machine generated its own momentum...,"operating with accelerating speed and an ever-widening destructive effect." Efficiency was its hallmark. "With an unfailing sense of direction and with an uncanny pathfinding ability, the German bureaucracy found the shortest path to the final goal."

The Holocaust In History, citing Hilberg, Destruction of the European Jews, I, ix. I, 9,28,55;III, 998. Cf. Fred E. Katz, "Implementation of the Holocaust: The Behaviour of Nazi Officials," Comparitive Studies in Society and History 24 (1982)

No operator, no blueprint, no master plan. One man, one testicle, one goal.

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I take it that this is Hilberg working up to his "mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy" claptrap.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 5:14 am
I take it that this is Hilberg working up to his "mind reading by a far-flung bureaucracy" claptrap.
Or worse.

According to Israeli novelist A. B. Yehoshua:
"As the number of survivng eyewitnesses to the period diminishes, the more freely will human imagination range in its attempts to achieve understanding. The horror of the events and the sufferings of the victims will not rob the new attempts-including new emotional and moral judgements - of legitimacy. The freedom of man's spirit suffers no restriction. Hence we must be aware that further study is liable to inflict new pain and will sometimes require that generally accepted views, which, it seemed, were firmly and solidly established, be abandoned."

- The Holocaust in History, citing A.B. Yehoshua, Between Right and Right, trans. Arnold Schwartz

Have you experienced a carmel candy making contact with a molar that you hadn't realized until now requires a filling?
He makes a case for "revisionism" in this incidental example of creating a mythos, or perhaps an "enterprise" out of the holocaust. It's pretentious and overbearing. Who exactly is attempting to legitimize the holocaust? He's really milking that violin.

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Back on topic, no denier has produced any AR camp staff or member of the EG who states that he was there and there were no mass gassings or shootings.

Even the Nazis who escaped to South America, where there have never been denial laws and they were protected, did not claim that the mass gassings and shootings did not happen.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:56 am
Back on topic, no denier has produced any AR camp staff or member of the EG who states that he was there and there were no mass gassings or shootings.

Even the Nazis who escaped to South America, where there have never been denial laws and they were protected, did not claim that the mass gassings and shootings did not happen.
There were mass executions of terrorists. No gassings evidenced soz. In either case this gassing crap came from the left field, why would they acknowledge such nonsense, confirm or deny when it never happened.?


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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:56 am
Back on topic, no denier has produced any AR camp staff or member of the EG who states that he was there and there were no mass gassings or shootings.

Even the Nazis who escaped to South America, where there have never been denial laws and they were protected, did not claim that the mass gassings and shootings did not happen.
And pardon my seeming deviation. Who were the Nazis that were boasting of killing six million?

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Holocaust deniers deny what the Nazis themselves admitted. :lol:

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torus9 wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 1:28 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 8:56 am
Back on topic, no denier has produced any AR camp staff or member of the EG who states that he was there and there were no mass gassings or shootings.

Even the Nazis who escaped to South America, where there have never been denial laws and they were protected, did not claim that the mass gassings and shootings did not happen.
And pardon my seeming deviation. Who were the Nazis that were boasting of killing six million?
I am not aware of any boasting about their role Holocaust and specifically claiming 6 million died. No Nazi who worked at an AR camp or was in the EG claimed that there were no mass killings. None support denier suggestions that the AR camps were transit or hygiene camps or that the Jews who gathered at Babi Yar were then sent elsewhere to live.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Re: Are there any Reinhardt camp guards, Einsatzgruppen personnel, etc who said killings of Jews didn't happen?

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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 17, 2020 2:56 pm
I am not aware of any boasting about their role Holocaust and specifically claiming 6 million died.
Can we concur that the aforementioned Haaretz article is sensationalizing at the very least, or lying with a biased agenda at the very worst?

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