You dishonestly tried to inflate the amount of fuel used in the key experiment. The key experiment used 2.75 gallons, but you keep babbling on about several gallons. No-one cares about fuel used in the other experiment, so why are you continuing to combine the two fuel amounts ? Looks like another case of being caught with your pants down , after tampering with the evidence and telling more porkies.Turnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmLupus wrote:There was just one experiment where where two cars and two sheep were burned. Each car had a sheep carcass put in it and was set on fire. Several gallons of gasoline were used in the experiment.What has the other experiment got to do with anything ?
Turnagain can't explain why a fire would be sustained under the sheep for 3 hours. He's basically shitting his pants even contemplating exploring the scenario hereTurnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmThe key to that is your runaway imagination, Lupus. The real key is the fact that neither sheep carcass was completely cremated even using gasoline and the car's interiors for fuel. Your "what if" and "coulda woulda" problem sounds almost as severe as Nessie's.The key to this is that a fire was present for 3 hours under the sheep, and was being sustained by the fat dripping onto it. So imagine this happening for 1,000-2,000 bodies on a rail, with fat dripping onto the wood and rags and fuel.
He then desperately maintains his stance over the 'partially' cremated state of the sheep. Not as though this help him in any way. For one the fire was put out after 3 hours after 70% of the carcass had been consumed. If that sheep was a Jew in Treblinka where the fires lasted all night , then even more of its carcass would have been consumed . Also, Turnagain ignores the experiments conclusion , which I have quoted below :
Read it and weep Turnagain, your once loyal friend "science" has turned round and bit you on the ass so bad that you won't be able to sit down for a weekThe findings show that for a ewe, and presumably for a human also, the body can be rather thoroughly consumed by fire by its own fat.....
The only thing I can comprehend here is the falseness of your early claim that gasoline was only used pre Floss. You made this false claim to try and demonstrate that the sheep experiment could not be compared to the Treblinka cremations . In your simple but dishonest mind, you thought that if no fuel was used at Treblinka post Floss but was used in the experiment, then the two events would be incomparable therefore the experiment can be dismissed . But unfortunately for you, I caught you out lying again.Turnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmBefore the magic Jew barbeque, gasoline was used in an attempt to burn the cadavers. Pouring gasoline on the cadavers didn't work. With the magic Jew barbeque supposedly in place, there are some claims that the kindling used to set the bodies ablaze was doused with gasoline. Can you comprehend the difference, Lupus? In the first instance, the cadavers had gasoline poured on them and in the second, the kindling may or may not have had gasoline poured on it.You originally claimed that the gasoline was only used in the early cremations pre Floss, so i produced two witnesses who have proven you wrong.
Finkelstein was not lying as he never claimed anything about the death toll. He was not lying about the number of graves too. That is the number he thought was right. You can't prove otherwise.Turnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmFinklestein stated that there were 21 pits or graves. He didn't say "about 20" or "a bunch of graves", he flatly stated that there were 21 graves. He did equivocate about the number of cadavers in each grave. Finklestein said 200,000 cadavers but even if he was off by as many as 50,000 cadavers, there would still be over 3 million victims. Finklestein was lying through his teeth.So, firstly your attempt at discrediting Finkelstein has failed. No-one knows how many pits there were exactly, and he didn't say all the pits could hold 200,000, that was you deliberately distorting his words. His observations on pit numbers have no bearing on his observations over the type of fuel used. And secondly you are basically silent on Matthes, who corroborates Finkelstein.
Matthes corroborated nothing. Finklestein claimed that wood or rags were used for kindling. Matthes claimed that "brushwood" was used for kindling. Rajchman said that twigs the size of toothpicks were used while Wiernik said no kindling at all was used. Steiner said that enough wood to build some small campfires was used. Take your pick, Lupus.
Matthes did corroborate Finkesltein on the key subject matter of this discussion, which was the use of liquid fuel. So you have lied again. Tut tut . This is not looking good on your CV is it, mate ?
Yep, all the others confirmed that wood or branches were used as fuel. Obviously enough was used as otherwise there would not be the constant smells and flames and smoke witnessed by many witnesses. The fact that the Floss situation was confirmed by both Nazis and Jews also confirms the reality of the events too. Unless you can prove or demonstrate why all these witnesses would lie or be mistaken about such an event then you really need to reduce your imbecilic rants drastically.
As previously noted, according to Rajchamnn there were sometimes whole charred heads and feet etc remaining, so what's your problem with this ? If you are fantasizing about whole parts of bodies being untouched by the fire, like the sheep in the experiment then you need to wake up and smell the coffee. Considering the ferocity of the cremations this scenario would be just a figment of your warped imagination. As I have already pointed out to you, the sheep had unburnt parts remaining because of the relatively reduced cremation period, ie 3 hours compared with all night at Treblinka . Has this simple but inconvenient fact sunk in yet ?Turnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmWhat part of, "The body parts of the corpses that had been incinerated..." don't you understand, Lupus? According to Rajchman no parts of the bodies remained intact eg. hadn't been burned or incinerated. They could retain their shape but had nevertheless been incinerated or cremated. Your sheep in the car burning experiment had substantial body mass that hadn't been burned. Are you actually that stupid or are you being willfully obtuse?But if you want to pursue this even further, I've got some more bad news for you Yep, Rajchmann confirms the following on page 67 of his book "Treblinka - A Survivors Memory" :
"The body parts of the corpses that had been incinerated in the ovens often kept their shape. It was not uncommon to take out whole charred heads,feet,bones etc."
Oh dear Turnagain, looks like whichever way you turn you're still up to your neck in the brown stuff
Turnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmDon't forget that on pages 76-77 (pdf version) Rajchman regales us with the tale of the burning blood. The "roast" had been moved too close to the grave and the wind carried the flames over the grave containing 250,000 dead Jews and caught their blood on fire. The blood burned all night and the next day and the eeevul Narzis all came to marvel at the sight.
So what's your point ?
Oh dear, not too sure you're gonna be as cocky when you realise I've just demolished your nonsense and exposed you as a liar and fraud. Still, I'm especially looking forward to you explaining how a fire was sustained under the sheep for 3 hours, with hardly any fuel other than the char and ash underneath. This is gonna be a right cracker of a bullshit damage limitation job , aint that right Turnagain ?? Good luck with thatTurnagain wrote: ↑Mon May 18, 2020 9:38 pmYou explained nothing, Lupus. In fact you clarified what a mess and cockup you made of what was quoted. Your claim about the sheep is both mindless and worthless. Neither carcass was completely incinerated. Geez, doncha' feel really stooooopid now?No cock up re Rajchmann and Leleko as explained above.