Where did they go

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Asher Israel wrote:
You’ve never proven that Jews weren’t gassed at Treblinka.
Of course I have. You're just too stupid to be able to rebut any of my proofs. You simply stamp your feet and shriek, "Did not, did not".

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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:18 pm
Asher Israel wrote:
You’ve never proven that Jews weren’t gassed at Treblinka.
Of course I have. You're just too stupid to be able to rebut any of my proofs. You simply stamp your feet and shriek, "Did not, did not".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You keep telling yourself that.

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Asher Israel wrote:
You keep telling yourself that.
In that case, let's see what ya' got. Beyond stamping your feet and shrieking, "Did not, did not". That and "Where did they gooooo?".

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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:33 pm
Asher Israel wrote:
You keep telling yourself that.
In that case, let's see what ya' got. Beyond stamping your feet and shrieking, "Did not, did not". That and "Where did they gooooo?".
There’s no reason for me to entertain a fallacious argument. Instead I just like to illustrate your stupidity time and time again.

This thread is about, “Where did they go?” If you can’t present any evidence as to what happened to the Jews after they were sent to the AR camps if they weren’t murdered, why are you detailing this thread with your usual shit?
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Asher Israel wrote:
This thread is about, “Where did they go?” If you can’t present any evidence as to what happened to the Jews after they were sent to the AR camps if they weren’t murdered, why are you detailing this thread with your usual shit?
I've presented proof that 15-20,000 deportees left Treblinka alive via rail. That is evidence, not proof, but evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp and all or most of the Jews sent there left in at least reasonable health. Why are you lying about me not presenting any evidence for the Jews leaving Treblinka?

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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:07 pm
Asher Israel wrote:
This thread is about, “Where did they go?” If you can’t present any evidence as to what happened to the Jews after they were sent to the AR camps if they weren’t murdered, why are you detailing this thread with your usual shit?
I've presented proof that 15-20,000 deportees left Treblinka alive via rail. That is evidence, not proof, but evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp and all or most of the Jews sent there left in at least reasonable health. Why are you lying about me not presenting any evidence for the Jews leaving Treblinka?
No, it is not evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp. How many times do you need to be told that? Those Jews were sent to other Nazi camps to work as slave labourers. There is no evidence that is what happened to all of the other Jews who were sent to Treblinka.

You ignore two main points:

1) The Nazis claimed in the Korherr Report that 1,274,166 Jews had been deported from the General Government to the Russian east.

2) The Jews who were selected to work as slave labourers and sent to other Nazi camps to work were NOT sent to the Russian east.

There is absolutely no credible evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp.

You even go as far as to cite Eric Hunt's video about Treblinka as proof - the video in which he uses snippets from interviews of Jewish people who were sent to Treblinka and then sent to work in other Nazi camps as slave labourers - despite the fact that Hunt himself admitted that the video was misleading and did NOT prove that Treblinka was a transit camp.

Here's a question for you to try to comprehend and answer: How come those Jews who spoke about being sent to other Nazi camps to work as slave labourers were able to do so but not the vast majority of other Jews who were sent to Treblinka?
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1) The Nazis claimed in the Korherr Report that 1,274,166 Jews had been deported from the General Government to the Russian east.

2) The Jews who were selected to work as slave labourers and sent to other Nazi camps to work were NOT sent to the Russian east
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The poster is referring to the Korherr report which I will reproduce in english.
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In fact the poster is only referring to section 4.

To put matters in perspective the Germans invaded Poland on 1 September 1939, pulling back to the Bug river in accord with the Molotov -Ribbentrop pact

The Polish city of Ciechanow was home to about Eighty thousand villagers in 1931. It now has 49,500 inhabitants. In 1939 the city was considerably larger. Ciechanów was captured by the Wehrmacht on the night of September 3/4, 1939 while Einsatzgruppe V entered the city on September 10, 1939, and carried out first mass arrests among local Polish intelligentsia, they were not worried about juden, but those working with military to formulate resistance groups.

According to JVL
- In Ciechanow, a census revealed about 80,000 Jews in 1931. Most of the Jews were expelled to Russia. Those that stayed were sent to ghettos in East Prussia. The last ghettos were liquidated in the fall of 1942 and the remaining Jews were sent to Treblinka. Another source said " in the winter of 1942, the majority of the Jewish community were transported to the Red Forest (Czerwony Bor) north-east of town and murdered by gunfire"; Czerwony bor was recognised by both US Intelligence and the Polish Home Army (General Rowecki) as being the extermination facility Treblinka III>

In fact the remaining villagers not expelled to Russia were sent to Auschwitz. This is confirmed by the Jewishgen.org who said the following:
The Jews who were expelled from Ciechanow were brought by the Germans to the concentration camps. In Auschwitz, as in other camps, Jews made every effort to be together with those from their town and to give mutual support.

I will not delve too much into Ciechanow except to state that the expulsion of juden to the Russian East, with the exception of 1,200 Js were brought together on on December 11th 1941,and sent to a new ghetto in Nowe Miasto. Obviously there were still villagers left behind as the ghetto was liquidated in the winter of 1942. This is confirmed by JG.org which said:
On November 6th 1942 the Jewish community of Ciechanow was wiped out. On this bitter day the Germans centralized, through terror and shooting, some 1,800 Jews

Of course they were not shot but sent to Auschwitz and other camps as testified above by jüdische witnesses.

From this it can be gathered the following
CIECHANOW
  • 80,000 villagers
  • vast majority expelled after Wehrmacht arrival in Sept 1939 to Soviet Poland....how many?
  • 1,200 sent to Nowe Miasto Dec 11,41
  • 1,800 sent to Auschwitz, Czerwony-bor, Treblinka or shot (variable reports all from juden)
  • 3 thousand remained behind, which means that 77 thousand juden were evicted into Soviet Russia across the Bug River


    Getting back to Korherr the numbers are generated from October 1939 or later up to Dec 31 1942; this is accounted for in section 4 where 30,225 villagers were transported to the Russian East that did not pass through the camps of the General Government. It appears the Ciechanow people were evicted prior to these Statistical reportings. The report emphasized juden from the Eastern Provinces which means the former Poland were those evicted.

    This fits nicely with reports of Warsaw juden being sent to Bobruysk in two transports, the railway lines crossing at Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec border lagers.
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The Korherr report is carefully worded when it comes to Section 4; unlike the other sections where 'evacuation' is confirmed, the words 'transportation of' appears in and only in section 4; this means that some juden were transported to, and then back again. The Bobruysk evidence as well as that of juden being used in Schmelt, Todt and oil Shale fields shows that thousands did cross the border, but others were destined as evidenced by the Dutch Sobibor Survivors to work at a multiple number of locations. This is confirmed by Turnagains findings of juden passing through Treblinka work at other locations.

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Asher israel wrote:
No, it is not evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp.
Right, deportees transiting through Treblinka isn't evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp. There is PROOF that happened. That is EVIDENCE that Treblinka was, indeed, a transit camp. Your attempt to conflate "proof" and "evidence" is a fail, Israel.

Now, if Treblinka was an extermination facility, how were the Jews killed and their bodies disposed of? Israel has no answer for that other than, "Them eeevul Narzis gassed 'em and cremated them on the magic Jew barbeque". Just another example of Israel's ignorance and stupidity. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.

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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:07 pm
Asher Israel wrote:
This thread is about, “Where did they go?” If you can’t present any evidence as to what happened to the Jews after they were sent to the AR camps if they weren’t murdered, why are you detailing this thread with your usual shit?
I've presented proof that 15-20,000 deportees left Treblinka alive via rail. That is evidence, not proof, but evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp and all or most of the Jews sent there left in at least reasonable health. Why are you lying about me not presenting any evidence for the Jews leaving Treblinka?
It is evidence to prove about 1% of arrivals were sent south or west from TII to work in other camps. It does not evidence that the other 99% went east to live there. In fact is acts as circumstantial evidence that did not happen, since if 1% of departures left evidence, then so would the other departures. The absence of evidence for the 99% leaving the camp is circumstantial evidence it did not happen.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 2:22 am
Asher israel wrote:
No, it is not evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp.
Right, deportees transiting through Treblinka isn't evidence that Treblinka was a transit camp. There is PROOF that happened. That is EVIDENCE that Treblinka was, indeed, a transit camp...
No, it is evidence to prove worker selections at TII, as there were at other camps, most famously A-B. You then try to conflate worker selections with mass transports. There is no evidence to prove regular mass departures.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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