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Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:33 pm

You keep on dodging that the Nazis had millions of Jews in their custody in camps and ghettos and it is those Jews whom deniers claim were resettled in the east in 1942-3. If that was true, then by the end of 1943, when the Nazis still occupied Ostland and the RKU, it would be packed with very large populations of Jews. But the evidence is the opposite and by the end of 1943, there was only one major ghetto left at Lodz.

That is why you want to dodge the issue and discuss different times when the Soviets occupied that land. You go on at me about not staying on topic, so do it yourself and explain why I should believe what you cannot evidence?
If people are scattered they are not packed; it is clear from the reports that people were working all over the place if they could work, digging ditches, clearing swamps, making clothes, picking carrots. As discussed the order came for everyone to be put into konzentrationslager; the reason for this is possible the changing fortunes of wars, or escapes. It has been discussed that a huge effort was to go into the production of shale oil in Estonia. How many people remained in unknown konzentrationslager is uncertain. There were obviously quite a few juden still in Bialystok as evidenced by the 11 thousand juden being transports to Lublina via Treblinka in August 43; we are lucky in a way to have the stationmaster recording this. How many more returned is currently unknown, but it is clear Stutthof was another camp returning Ostland juden resided for a while.

Chris Browning reports that Juden returned to the GG via Belzec staying in the Belzec transit Arbeitslager before being sent to the Wierzbnik arbeitslager; the numbers are in the thousands but more work is being done to consolidate this to find their end point.

So far what is known is:
  • 1.4 million Juden were sent into the Russian East
  • The Soviets murdered 250 thousand at Kurapaty
  • 13 km away at Trostenets the Soviets claim the Reich murdered 250 thousand, investigated by Soviet Special Commission.
  • Soviet Special Commission hoaxed the Katyn massacre of 22 thousand Polish Officers
  • Juden worked in the Estonia Shale oil, using 22 konzentrationslager for accomodation.
  • The Soviets murdered 20 thousand juden at Vinnitsia with .22 bullets to the head. (1940)
  • 11 thousand Juden returned to the GG from Bialystok via Treblinka (some stayed two weeks) August 43.
  • Thousand of Juden returned to Reich to Stutthof (via Chelmno?)
  • Thousands of Juden returned to the GG to the Belzec Arbeitslager to work at Wierzbnik
  • Konzentrationslager in the Eastern provinces were often temporary with people on the move.


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Re: Where did they go

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Nessie can't even come up with two credible witnesses to the alleged atrocities at T-II but demands that we believe the bullshit from Wiernik, Rajchman, et al. You betcha', Nessie, we believe such drivel.

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Turnagain wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:15 pm
Nessie can't even come up with two credible witnesses to the alleged atrocities at T-II but demands that we believe the bullshit from Wiernik, Rajchman, et al. You betcha', Nessie, we believe such drivel.
We know they went there but now we are talking about most of them coming back. He demands were evidence where they went so we start at a large konzentrationslager (Trostenets), he is not interested; he wants to know where all of them went.
They were scattered all over the place is the response (which they were) but he wants an instantaneous rundown. Here it is; they went here, the area with the hammer and sickle on it.
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They went there and for the most part came back again.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:08 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 4:33 pm

You keep on dodging that the Nazis had millions of Jews in their custody in camps and ghettos and it is those Jews whom deniers claim were resettled in the east in 1942-3. If that was true, then by the end of 1943, when the Nazis still occupied Ostland and the RKU, it would be packed with very large populations of Jews. But the evidence is the opposite and by the end of 1943, there was only one major ghetto left at Lodz.

That is why you want to dodge the issue and discuss different times when the Soviets occupied that land. You go on at me about not staying on topic, so do it yourself and explain why I should believe what you cannot evidence?
If people are scattered they are not packed;
You have no evidence they were scattered.

Everywhere that the Nazis occupied, they registered and then rounded up the Jews into ghettos and/or camps.
... it is clear from the reports that people were working all over the place if they could work, digging ditches, clearing swamps, making clothes, picking carrots.
Working from camps or ghettos.
As discussed the order came for everyone to be put into konzentrationslager;
Which contradicts your claim they were scattered.
the reason for this is possible the changing fortunes of wars, or escapes. It has been discussed that a huge effort was to go into the production of shale oil in Estonia. How many people remained in unknown konzentrationslager is uncertain. There were obviously quite a few juden still in Bialystok as evidenced by the 11 thousand juden being transports to Lublina via Treblinka in August 43; we are lucky in a way to have the stationmaster recording this. How many more returned is currently unknown, but it is clear Stutthof was another camp returning Ostland juden resided for a while.

Chris Browning reports that Juden returned to the GG via Belzec staying in the Belzec transit Arbeitslager before being sent to the Wierzbnik arbeitslager; the numbers are in the thousands but more work is being done to consolidate this to find their end point.

So far what is known is:
  • 1.4 million Juden were sent into the Russian East
  • The Soviets murdered 250 thousand at Kurapaty
  • 13 km away at Trostenets the Soviets claim the Reich murdered 250 thousand, investigated by Soviet Special Commission.
  • Soviet Special Commission hoaxed the Katyn massacre of 22 thousand Polish Officers
  • Juden worked in the Estonia Shale oil, using 22 konzentrationslager for accomodation.
  • The Soviets murdered 20 thousand juden at Vinnitsia with .22 bullets to the head. (1940)
  • 11 thousand Juden returned to the GG from Bialystok via Treblinka (some stayed two weeks) August 43.
  • Thousand of Juden returned to Reich to Stutthof (via Chelmno?)
  • Thousands of Juden returned to the GG to the Belzec Arbeitslager to work at Wierzbnik
  • Konzentrationslager in the Eastern provinces were often temporary with people on the move.
Link to the source you have plagiarised from.

Still no evidence of a huge Jewish population resettled in the Ostland and RKU by the end of 1943.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:26 pm
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They went there and for the most part came back again.
If that was true, then the western Allies would have liberated millions of Jews. Instead, the largest camp liberated was Bergen-Belsen with c60,000 prisoners, not all of whom were Jewish.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:27 pm
You have no evidence they were scattered.
There are reports of people working all over the place in Ostland, RKU and Bialsystok.
Everywhere that the Nazis occupied, they registered and then rounded up the Jews into ghettos and/or camps.
Those allowed out could work until that order was rescinded. This was discussed.
Working from camps or ghettos.
Any work station could be designated a camp; most were temporary.
Which contradicts your claim they were scattered.
I thought chronology was your forte. They were in permanent konzentrationslager after the order for one reason or another.
Still no evidence of a huge Jewish population resettled in the Ostland and RKU by the end of 1943.
Thousand went in and thousands returned. They worked and stayed for a while, returned through the alleged extermination camps.
If that was true, then the western Allies would have liberated millions of Jews. Instead, the largest camp liberated was Bergen-Belsen with c60,000 prisoners, not all of whom were Jewish.
If one were to read a few credible books it appears that in the mayhem most of the people were free as the Germans retreated, left to their own resources. At Auschwitz they were not forced to leave, many stayed.

Sam Pivnik, Pierre Berg, Peter Lantos, Karl de Winter all escaped; however, this is another issue. The mayhem in Poland and Germany is important but please continue to discuss Ostland and the RKU or Bialystok Province. It is clear they left in droves. As mentioned I think the Soviets did some dastardly deeds to the Minsk Juden.


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If what you said was true, it would be easy for you to show me large Jewish populations in the Ostland and RKU at the end of 1942/start of 1943.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:47 pm
If what you said was true, it would be easy for you to show me large Jewish populations in the Ostland and RKU at the end of 1942/start of 1943.
Korherr said about 1.4 million. The population demographics was done in another post, not just for juden but for all, there is no significant loss. The only loss is due to natural mortality v the lack of breeding due to men being away at war. That information is above somewhere. I do not intend to repeat myself for you.


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Huntinger wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:50 pm
Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:47 pm
If what you said was true, it would be easy for you to show me large Jewish populations in the Ostland and RKU at the end of 1942/start of 1943.
Korherr said about 1.4 million. The population demographics was done in another post, not just for juden but for all, there is no significant loss. The only loss is due to natural mortality v the lack of breeding due to men being away at war. That information is above somewhere. I do not intend to repeat myself for you.
You are clearly mad, as shown here;

viewtopic.php?p=178731#p178731

Stop trolling threads with drivel and plagiarism.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

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Nessie wrote:
Sat Dec 05, 2020 5:52 pm

You are clearly mad, as shown here;
viewtopic.php?p=178731#p178731
Stop trolling threads with drivel and plagiarism.
Depth Check will deal with this in due course. The posters inability to understand statistical population numbers is his downfall. The graph based on numbers publicly available. The first 50 years of jüdische population growth is a fabrication based on incomplete data and lies; these were compiled by der Jude Untermeyer who declared war on the Reich in 1933.
The alleged jüdische population growth of 6 million from the years 1900-1939 (39 years) is in direct contrast of the 3 million growth from 1948 -2008 (60 years). The extrapolation back is a straight line which is likely to show the real population statistics of the time. Der Jude Untermeyer and his AJC were the only ones collecting and collating world
jüdische population data with no integrity checks; they could and did publish what they wished to suit their nefarious ends.

Untermeyer was der Jude who declared war on the Reich in 1933 and a long time proponent of the 6 million to be holocausted. His juden to be holocausted were just imaginary ones, paper juden in some statistical population almanac.

In 39 year Untermeyer claims there were 16.7 million juden in the world but the line of best fit from modern data extrapolated back show that there were only about 11.7 million. Quite a discrepancy. That is an addition of 5 million non existent juden, but tallied to true mortality through war of about 1 million the magyke number of 6 million holocausted appears like an ethereal phantom.


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