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Uh-huh, it was this here really big gasoline V-8. He fixed it but didn't really know anything else about it. Gee, it was 20 years ago. Sell such mindless bullshit down the street, Nessie.

There's plenty of evidence of mass transports of deportees out of Treblinka. Your aimless and brainless assertion that the deportees just didn't know where they were is just more of your bullshit.

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Nessie wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:12 pm
It was 1941-4 that the Nazis were murdering Jews in the Ostland and RKU, when they occupied that land, they were not resettling Jews there.
The Russians were murdering juden in Ostland 1941 as well if what you think is true. The same number 13km apart.
This of course is the continuation of this thread; Soviet Culpability for missing people.


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Turnagain wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:33 pm
Uh-huh, it was this here really big gasoline V-8. He fixed it but didn't really know anything else about it. Gee, it was 20 years ago. Sell such mindless bullshit down the street, Nessie.

There's plenty of evidence of mass transports of deportees out of Treblinka. Your aimless and brainless assertion that the deportees just didn't know where they were is just more of your bullshit.
There is evidence of about 1% of arrivals at TII being selected for their skills and sent onwards, primarily to Majdanek to work. There is no evidence from inside TII that it was a transit camp.

https://studylib.net/doc/7233192/trebli ... ist-edited

Your brainless bullshit that hundreds of thousands of people left TII and were accommodated in a magical mysterious location is just denier crap.
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Huntinger wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 12:55 am
Nessie wrote:
Thu Dec 03, 2020 8:12 pm
It was 1941-4 that the Nazis were murdering Jews in the Ostland and RKU, when they occupied that land, they were not resettling Jews there.
The Russians were murdering juden in Ostland 1941 as well if what you think is true. The same number 13km apart.
This of course is the continuation of this thread; Soviet Culpability for missing people.
The Soviets murdered Jews and other people in the Baltic States Belorussia and Ukraine prior to the Nazi invasion in 1941 and after the Nazis had fled in 1944. You dodge that when the Nazis occupied the territory in 1941-4, the Jewish population plummeted and was not replaced by Jews from any other countries. By the start of 1944, whilst the Nazis still occupied that area, there were only some camps and the ghetto at Lodz were left.

Even Lodz, with a Jewish population of c75,000 in 1944 is nothing compared to what deniers claim had been deported to the Nazi occupied east. It is also significantly less than the city's c160,000 Jews in 1941.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/lodz

You need to get a grip and face reality. Where deniers claim Jews were resettled from the AR camps, but 1944 had few Jews left. There is no evidence of mass transports of Jews back out of the camps. They were killed there, that is why there is no evidence of resettlement.
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Nessie wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 5:31 pm
when the Nazis occupied the territory in 1941-4, the Jewish population plummeted and was not replaced by Jews from any other countries. By the start of 1944, whilst the Nazis still occupied that area, there were only some camps and the ghetto at Lodz were left.
Korherr said the people were sent there, so investigating what happened is legitimate; to continue to try and derail the thread back to the camps when it is clear we are talking about der Juden in the Russian East is not acceptable. It is clear from all reports that thousands of these people came from all over the place. I suggest one topic be stuck to at a time and not wander off all over the place; at the moment it is the Trostenets juden and Kurapaty ones.

It is accepted by the poster nessie accepted that the Soviets murdered about 300 thousand juden in two cities alone, this continuing until they left for a few years in 1941. In Eastern Poland, Belarus, Ukraine, Baltic states there was an added 100 thousand, another 111 thousand for the Polish operation up until 1938. So far this adds up to about 511 thousand people they murdered, mainly juden. When the Holodomor is taken into account another 4 million can be added to this sad total.

The Maly Trostenets, or Maly Trascianiec, concentration camp sits on the outskirts of Minsk, Belarus, originally built by the Nazis in the summer of 1941, on the site of a Soviet kolkhoz (a collective farm). The first transport of Js arrived there, from Germany, Poland, the Netherlands, Austria, and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (present-day Czech Republic). Seems the AR camps are not so important after all ;) as according to the JVL this was an extermination camp.

The JVL goes on to say:
Many were even killed before reaching the camp, as they were brought to the nearby Blagovshchina (Благовщина) and Shashkovka (Шашковка) Forests, where they were shot in the back of the neck.
. This is a give away as shooting this way is an NKVD method and not the German method of firing squad. for mass shootings.
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On June 28, 1944, as the Red Army approached the region, the Nazis bombed the camp in an attempt to obliterate evidence of its existence. 4 July: Red Army takes city of Minsk. In six days the Germans destroyed the camp totally before the Soviets arrived.

Original estimates of the number of people killed there ranged from 200,000 to more than half a million. All of this in a report by the Soviet Extraordinary State Commission in the 1940s.

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At the start of 1941, 13km (8 miles) away, the NKVD murdered 250 thousand people at Kurapaty; it is highly likely that 4 years later that another execution spot was set up for the murder of thousands of people who they could not feed and blame it on the Reich; they had tried this method at Katyn and not been caught. The easiest logistics would be to say those people never arrived in the region at all, which is why much effort went into to destroy train records of departures from the border camps, coerce witnesses promoting the gassing mythology.

There was mass murder at Trostenets, at the hands of the Soviets; death by shooting at the back of the neck is their trade mark as at Katyn.

This is the focus of the future research; the attempt to find independent witnesses and of course archaeological evidence. The bullets most likely found will be Russian.

Nessie, convince the world that the Soviets did not murder the people at Trostenets.


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Nessie wrote:
Your brainless bullshit that hundreds of thousands of people left TII and were accommodated in a magical mysterious location is just denier crap.
It's been proven that nobody was steamed/gassed/vacuumed, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque so the deportees went somewhere. If you had any actual proof that 15-20,000 people were known to have been murdered at the AR camps we would hear you talking about it in every other post. We for damn sure wouldn't be hearing any of this "1%" bullshit.

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Turnagain wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:43 pm
Nessie wrote:
Your brainless bullshit that hundreds of thousands of people left TII and were accommodated in a magical mysterious location is just denier crap.
It's been proven that nobody was steamed/gassed/vacuumed, buried, exhumed and cremated on the magic Jew barbeque so the deportees went somewhere. If you had any actual proof that 15-20,000 people were known to have been murdered at the AR camps we would hear you talking about it in every other post. We for damn sure wouldn't be hearing any of this "1%" bullshit.
Your idea of proof is you arguing that because witnesses described it in a way that you can interpret to be impossible, therefore it is impossible. That is stupid, but you are just unable to understand that.

The 1% is not bullshit, that is all who is evidenced to have left the camp.
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Huntinger wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:13 pm
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Nessie, convince the world that the Soviets did not murder the people at Trostenets.
How could they, when it was built and occupied by the Nazis?
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The claims of your so-called eyewitnesses are proven lies. No "argument" about it. The number of people who left T-II is actually a little over 2%. Your 1% is just you trying to sell your lame notion that the deportees didn't know what camp they were in.

BTW, when are you going to come up with a couple of credible witnesses to the AR atrocities? Going to stick with the "I already done that" weasel dodge?

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Nessie wrote:
Fri Dec 04, 2020 7:51 pm
How could they, when it was built and occupied by the Nazis?
When the Reich had left this arbeitslager; where did they go. :?: Where did they go if the Soviets did not murder them. :)


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