Nessie wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:50 pm
PrudentRegret wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:34 pm
Nessie wrote: ↑
Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:47 am
Prudent Regret is.
Where did I say that?
You have been arguing the camps at S, B and TII were like Pabianice and then you posted this about the Hofle Telegram;
"But if it denoted arrivals at a Sorting Center that would definitely be very interesting."
I haven't been 'arguing' that B,S,TII were 'like Pabianice', I've shown that they were.
I still have acknowledged arrivals of Jews at those camps. I never claimed that no transports of Jews ever went to those camps.
I do think some portion of those transports were likely closed wagons of property to be sorted and stored at those camps. Witnesses speak of closed wagons that sat outside for 'days' without food or water waiting to be processed at TII. Those were probably wagons filled with clothes or other property to be sorted and stored at the camp, like the many wagons of fur and textiles mentioned in the Katzmann report.
I have shown that it is most likely that SSPF Galicia handed over those trainloads of property from the liquidated Ghettos to Einsatz Reinhardt
through Belzec. That conclusion hasn't even been challenged by Nick or the other ringleaders because they don't have a plausible alternative to offer. That bolsters the interpretation that the closed wagons which sat outside the camps for days were filled with furs, clothes, or other property waiting in the queue to be sorted and stored.
Considering the whole sorting operation we know happened at these camps (but the Skeptic crowd seems to go back and forth on acknowledging and denying), is the issue of sanitation at those camps. There are more parallels with Pabianice to be acknowledged here:
It is known that SS-Sonderkommando received bonus pay beyond normal salary, which has been interpreted by orthodox sources as a bounty for gassing Jews. But a Chelmno document suggests that this was hazard pay due to the 'danger of infections' of handling and transporting potentially contaminated property:
027/2/Lu/Po Litzmannstadt, 29 May 1942
Subject: Sonderkommando / processing of the accumulated goods.
On your request, the wages and salaries of the people employed in the interest of the Sonderkommando are paid from the special account 12,300.
In Kulmhof, all people receive besides the usual salary also a daily danger bonus of RM 15. It would be appropriate, as our people are exposed to at least the same danger of infections, that we should also pay this danger bonus, already for the simple reason that if if really something should happen, no accusations can be made.
This would concern not only those employees with sorting and transport duties in Pabianice, but also the gentlemen in the administration, who, in the interest of the smooth running of the whole action, constantly have to look in Pabianice if everything is fine and who deal with the administration of the accumulated goods.
I ask for your opinion.
The Pabianice connection also acknowledges the challenges of sanitation of the workforce at that sorting camp. For example:
To Mr. Police President
to the attention of Mr. Hauptmann Fliess
Subject: Jew working camp Pabianice
The superabundant supply of textiles, shoes, etc. from the resettlement camp Warthbrücken and the cleared Ghettos necessitates the acquisition of further storage sites. The Polish Churches in Alexanderhof and Erzhausen have been provided by the Secret State Police for this purpose. Since German workers are not available for the unloading of the cars and the stacking of things in the churches, and the use of Polish workers is not possible for the reasons known to you, Jews from the Pabianice camp must be taken for this purpose. These are working details of each 15 to 30 Jews who are taken to the respective workplace in the morning and driven back in the evening. For the guarding of these transports and supervision at the work places, I consider a police guarding necessary.
It has also proved necessary that the entire workforce of the camp is driven once a week for delousing in the disinfection facility of the Kindler company in Pabianice. In my view, the assignement of a special command of the strength of one to three men is sufficient, and the men would then be carried by the vehicles loaded with the Jews as guards.
These transports take place only during the period between 7 am and 7 pm, so that a change of men is not necessary. Since the matter is very urgent, I ask you to issue the necessary orders.
Sorting the huge trainloads of clothing from the resettlement camps and cleared Ghettos was a major bio-hazard. This would have required strict protocol at these camps for segregating clean/unclean areas of the camp, as well as solutions for delousing the workforce as was necessary in Pabianice.
If you want a laugh, you can also read HolocaustControversies
uses the quantity of clothes to try to support the claim that 100,000 Jews were murdered at Chelmno, lol. Even though those warehouses included property left behind from the cleared Ghettos. The 'ol Soviet tactic of counting shoes to support gassing allegations.
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... erman.html