Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Re: Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Nessie wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:00 pm
Hofle is corroborated by Korherr. Both use an identical number sent to AR camps in the GC. Not customs posts, camps.
Korherr said:
Between October 1939 and December 31, 1942 1.274 million Jews had been "processed" at the camps of General Government and 145,000 at the camps in Warthegau (location of Kulmhof)

By processed he means deported:
in part through emigration, in part through excess mortality of the Jews in central and western Europe, in part through the evacuations especially in the völkisch stronger eastern territories, which are calculated here as departure.
This is now off topic, so any more put it in the correct place.
The people who did the processing were not SS but Zollgrenzschutz staff, employed by the Reich Ministry of Finance headed by Fritz Reinhardt.
I have said previously that due to this being a joint SS, customs effort, the Reinhardt initiative could well be named after both leaders.

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Re: Aktion Reinhardt was named after Fritz Reinhardt- not Reinhard Heydrich

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Huntinger wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:37 pm
Nessie wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:00 pm
Hofle is corroborated by Korherr. Both use an identical number sent to AR camps in the GC. Not customs posts, camps.
Korherr said:
Between October 1939 and December 31, 1942 1.274 million Jews had been "processed" at the camps of General Government and 145,000 at the camps in Warthegau (location of Kulmhof)

By processed he means deported:
in part through emigration, in part through excess mortality of the Jews in central and western Europe, in part through the evacuations especially in the völkisch stronger eastern territories, which are calculated here as departure.
This is now off topic, so any more put it in the correct place.
The people who did the processing were not SS but Zollgrenzschutz staff, employed by the Reich Ministry of Finance headed by Fritz Reinhardt.
I have said previously that due to this being a joint SS, customs effort, the Reinhardt initiative could well be named after both leaders.
By processed he means, they had their property stolen and then some were selected to work and sent on to other camps, the rest were gassed. AR was as much about alleged resettlement than it was mass theft, but that is dodged by PR as he pushes his claim AR was named after a finance minister. PR then dodged the issue of the lack of evidence of actual resettlement, as he knows it destroys denial, since there is no evidence to prove the Nazis were resettling, rather than gassing. Heydrich was in charge of the Final Solution, not Reinhardt.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
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Nessie wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:21 am
By processed he means, they had their property stolen and then some were selected to work and sent on to other camps, the rest were gassed. AR was as much about alleged resettlement than it was mass theft, but that is dodged by PR as he pushes his claim AR was named after a finance minister. PR then dodged the issue of the lack of evidence of actual resettlement, as he knows it destroys denial, since there is no evidence to prove the Nazis were resettling, rather than gassing. Heydrich was in charge of the Final Solution, not Reinhardt.
He says clearly what he means by processed, which is emigration and deportation. This thread is not about resettlement as there is a thread dealing with this already; to discuss this here is off topic. It was already mentioned the word deportation aka eviction which was mainly prior to Barbarossa; this is why the cities in the East doubled in size. If one thinks that living in crowded places, tents, transported to Siberia is resettlement they are welcome.

It would seem this poster is putting words into people mouths that were not said, but twisting those words to fit into a macabre narrative of incredulity. The people doing the evictions were SS assisted by customs, whose boss is Fritz Reinhardt. Prudent Regret has conclusively shown that Aktion Reinhardt is the sequestering of wealth and nothing to do with deportations, though the wealth came from the evictions.

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Here is a document linked to earlier by PR. It is about the seizure of property. It is titled "Re: Utilization of property on the occasion of settlement and evacuation of Jews."

http://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/docume ... 724%22#p.1

Globocnik provided a report to Himmler on the 5th January 1944 titled "Economic Development of Action Reinhardt" in which he summarises AR;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... sheet.html

"The entire Action Reinhardt is divided into four spheres: A. The expulsion itself. B. The employment of labour. C. The exploitation of property. D. Seizure of hidden goods and landed property."

The seizure of property and the resettlement are directly linked.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Notice that this letter was sent to Lublin and Auschwitz Nessie. Even Sergey admits that deportations were not part of the administrative scope of Aktion Reinhardt in Auschwitz. Yet the instructions to Auschwitz and Lublin are identical. They did not have different bureaucratic definitions of AR in Lublin and Auschwitz. That is absurd.

Globocnik does a comprehensive report on the Administrative Development of Aktion Reinhardt, and deportations are not within the administrative scope of this policy in Lublin either. Globocnik describes AR as being executed in accordance with this letter, which also does not provide administrative rules on deportations themselves, only of the processing of property on the occasion of deportation.

And a superior translation to the title of that report would be "Economic Settlement of Action Reinhardt" (see Himmler's letter where he uses the same verbiage).

Globocnik's Jan. 5th report to Himmler is his major, comprehensive report on AR. His report on the Administrative Development of AR is not constrained to any specific part of AR, it is comprehensive.
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PrudentRegret wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:44 pm
Notice that this letter was sent to Lublin and Auschwitz Nessie. Even Sergey admits that deportations were not part of the administrative scope of Aktion Reinhardt in Auschwitz. Yet the instructions to Auschwitz and Lublin are identical. They did not have different bureaucratic definitions of AR in Lublin and Auschwitz. That is absurd.

Globocnik does a comprehensive report on the Administrative Development of Aktion Reinhardt, and deportations are not within the administrative scope of this policy in Lublin either.

And a superior translation to the title of that report would be "Economic Settlement of Action Reinhardt" (see Himmler's letter where he uses the same verbiage).

His July 5th report to Globocnik is his major, comprehensive report on AR.
That reports states; "The entire Action Reinhardt is divided into four spheres: A. The expulsion itself. B. The employment of labour. C. The exploitation of property. D. Seizure of hidden goods and landed property."

The seizure of property and the resettlement are directly linked.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Globoncik's report included all the initiatives that were in any way related to AR in this report. Deportations are related to AR for obvious reasons that have been explained to you. Globocnik also included Osti because even though Osti was not part of AR, Globocnik gave some loans from the Reinhardt Account and he therefore included it in his report.

Globocnik's "definition" of the bureaucratic scope of AR can be ascertained from his comprehensive report on the Administrative Development of AR, where it is clear that the administration of the deportations themselves were not under the bureaucratic scope of AR, except insofar as proceeds from AR could be used to cover expenditures.

Edit: Which happens to be identical to how Hoess understood AR by the way. Auschwitz and Lublin were operating under the exact same regulations within the scope of AR. The notion they had different definitions of AR is absurd, and the fact they are working from literally the exact same orders disproves that.

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As a side note and not particularly relevant to the topic, here is a link to the pages of the HORHUG Bletchley Park decrypts.
https://www.bing.com/search?form=MOZLBR ... k+decrypts
Huntinger, b-t and PR are probably aware of this information but I'll post it anyway since PR especially shows a flair for that type of insanely tedious of information. It gives some factual information of the workings of the German camps. At any rate, for what it's worth.

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The first link in the search doesn't work, but it was captured by the Archive and looks pretty interesting:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200411033 ... rypts.html

Do you have any leads on things to keep an eye out for that may be found in the material? Could make for an interesting side project.

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Nessie wrote:
Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:23 pm
"The entire Action Reinhardt is divided into four spheres: A. The expulsion itself. B. The employment of labour. C. The exploitation of property. D. Seizure of hidden goods and landed property."

The seizure of property and the resettlement are directly linked.
The seizure of property and the eviction or expulsion are linked; through customs department (aka Zollgrenzschutz) there is no resettlement. The "tubes" are from the SS camp to a "customs designated area" aka as lager III after processing. I do not think that customs personnel are adept at spit roasting rabbits let alone juden :mrgreen: . Uncle Joe looked after 2.7 million of them. I do not see murder in the four spheres above, only what we have been discussing, eviction and actions of the customs dept with the SS to get people working and to sequester wealth (property included). BTW this is almost 80% wound up, just a few more details will come to light to synch it all.
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To juden the sequestering of wealth is equivalent to a death sentence. This is all they live for, without their shekels they feel doomed.

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