Sobibor Photos

[Huntinger]

Niemann Fotosammlung

SS-Untersturmführer Johann Niemann was deputy Kommandant at Sobibor ArbeitsDurchgangslager. The Times newspaper reported that 350 wartime photos of Sobibor and other places have recently been discovered. It is claimed that John Demjanjuk appears in these photos.

According to the narrative there were three section to the Sobibor camp; each individually fenced in:

1. the administration area,
2. the reception area,
3. the extermination area.

Let me show you what an extermination camp looks like.

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Entrance to the camp..SS special command unit

Trawniki patrolling Sobibor perimeter

Johann Niemann riding his horse

A platoon of the Trawniki SS auxiliary force

Johann Niemann and colleagues at leisure in Sobibor.

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Of course the hoaxers are seeing ghosts and shadows where there are none. For instance in the last photo of Johann and colleagues relaxing the caption in the paper states "Exuberant Nazi criminals: Johann Niemann and colleagues at leisure in Sobibor." (Ausgelassene NS-Verbrecher: Johann Niemann und Kollegen bei der Freizeitgestaltung in Sobibor.).

They also suggest the cunning of Johann to hide the atrocities so that the dead, tortured and mass graves are not depicted in the photos. Others at Klowns mention the "subtle confirmations (of the genocide) in the background". I think that Dr Adipose must have a great imagination to see the subtle confirmations of anything but a very clean, well kept camp for the benefit of those interned.

[Turnagain]

Huntinger wrote:

Others at Klowns mention the "subtle confirmations (of the genocide) in the background". I think that Dr Adipose must have a great imagination to see the subtle confirmations of anything but a very clean, well kept camp for the benefit of those interned.

The "subtle confirmations (of the genocide) in the background" brings back a joke from my adolescence. It concerned a pack of Camel cigarettes with it's trademark picture of a camel and the pyramids. Camels were and still are a popular brand of cigarettes in the US. The problem was to show the little man that was included in the depiction of the camel and the pyramids. Of course there isn't any little man but after a suitable amount of fruitless examination, the butt of the joke would be informed that the little man was, "Over behind the pyramid having a pee". Gales of adolescent laughter.

It would seem that the Klowns have discovered that the gas chambers, the graves and the dead bodies are all over behind something and can't actually be seen. Just like the little man on the pack of Camel cigarettes. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.

[Huntinger]

Huntinger wrote:

Others at Klowns mention the "subtle confirmations (of the genocide) in the background". I think that Dr Adipose must have a great imagination to see the subtle confirmations of anything but a very clean, well kept camp for the benefit of those interned.

It concerned a pack of Camel cigarettes with it's trademark picture of a camel and the pyramids. The problem was to show the little man that was included in the depiction of the camel and the pyramids. Of course there isn't any little man but after a suitable amount of fruitless examination, the butt of the joke would be informed that the little man was, "Over behind the pyramid having a pee".

It would seem that the Klowns have discovered that the gas chambers, the graves and the dead bodies are all over behind something and can't actually be seen. Just like the little man on the pack of Camel cigarettes. So it goes in holyhoax la-la land.

I think I see him.

There are more photos apparently which can be put on here if people want to find them. Perhaps we can see Sgt Floss lighting a camel cigarette or something and tossing the match into some shrubs.

[Turnagain]

Over at the Klown forum Statistical Mechanic posted:

The photos were taken for vanity purposes, not to document the camp for deniers.

So, the fact that the album's photographs don't document any homicidal activity at Sobibor isn't relevant to mass murder at Sobibor.

Then, from Statistical Mechanic:

My point exactly. No suggestions of transit camp in the collection that I can see.

However, the lack of photographs IS proof of no deportees being transited through Treblinka. The consistency of the Klowns is simply astonishing. When the data support one facet of the holyhoax, it's gold. When that same data don't support a claim of the hoaxers, it's dross and ignored. The intellectual superiority of the Klowns becomes more evident every day. Who could doubt it?

[Huntinger]

However, the lack of photographs IS proof of no deportees being transited through Treblinka. The consistency of the Klowns is simply astonishing. When the data support one facet of the holyhoax, it's gold. When that same data don't support a claim of the hoaxers, it's dross and ignored. The intellectual superiority of the Klowns becomes more evident every day. Who could doubt it?

Hans somehow has noticed an excavator and some wood somewhere obviously enough to burn 167 thousand corpses. The camp perimeter is highly organized with nice hedges to provide privacy; the trees look as though they are more than a few years old nicely trimmed. The outer perimeter has a simple fence with a single strand of electric wire on the top, discerned from the insulators; it certainly is not the gruesome place depicted by Hollywood. There are more photos but available to paid people, each photo is digitally marked to identify the purchaser.

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The Washington Post dives in and says this about the people having a drink.
SS personnel, including commandant Franz Reichleitner and deputy commandant Johann Niemann, gather on a patio at Sobibor in 1943, drinking from glasses that historians say could have been stolen from murdered Jews. (U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum)

[Nessie]

Over at the Klown forum Statistical Mechanic posted:

The photos were taken for vanity purposes, not to document the camp for deniers.

So, the fact that the album's photographs don't document any homicidal activity at Sobibor isn't relevant to mass murder at Sobibor.

Then, from Statistical Mechanic:

My point exactly. No suggestions of transit camp in the collection that I can see.

However, the lack of photographs IS proof of no deportees being transited through Treblinka. The consistency of the Klowns is simply astonishing. When the data support one facet of the holyhoax, it's gold. When that same data don't support a claim of the hoaxers, it's dross and ignored. The intellectual superiority of the Klowns becomes more evident every day. Who could doubt it?

The photos on their own do not prove what type of camp Sobibor was. The point being made is that whilst there is indeed no photograph of mass graves, or people queuing naked outside the gas chamber, or of mass pyres, but since such photography was forbidden, that is not surprising. But, there is also no photo of transit camp activity either and that was not forbidden. There are plenty of examples of Nazi photos of people boarding, exiting and being transported on trains. The arrival of the Hungarian Jews at Birkenau in 1944 is the most famous example.

It makes sense that criminal activity of mass murder was not photographed. It does not make any sense that the non-criminal transportation of people was not photographed.

What the Sobibor photos show is how the camp was laid out. They show that the fences were covered to restrict the view. That is odd compared to any other camp. Normally fences are kept open and clear so that guards can easily patrol and watch them.

The photos also show Nazis who can be identified and who were part of the T4 euthanasia project. They were people who had proved themselves capable of stomaching killing others considered as sub human.

Then there is what can be seen above the covered fences. Apparently a chimney and excavators are visible.

[Huntinger]

The photos on their own do not prove what type of camp Sobibor was.

The body language of the officers, the women and the Trawniki guards show normal people doing normal activities with nothing to do with horror. The horror is only a part of the fraud you are involved in.

The point being made is that whilst there is indeed no photograph of mass graves, or people queuing naked outside the gas chamber, or of mass pyres, but since such photography was forbidden, that is not surprising. But, there is also no photo of transit camp activity either and that was not forbidden. There are plenty of examples of Nazi photos of people boarding, exiting and being transported on trains. The arrival of the Hungarian Jews at Birkenau in 1944 is the most famous example.

This is because there were no mass graves and no suggestion of any, that too is within your head. In such a secret operation any photography would be forbidden; the Security Polizei would have arrested this man.

It makes sense that criminal activity of mass murder was not photographed. It does not make any sense that the non-criminal transportation of people was not photographed.

This is mere speculation with nothing to back it up. Conjecture means nothing.

What the Sobibor photos show is how the camp was laid out. They show that the fences were covered to restrict the view. That is odd compared to any other camp. Normally fences are kept open and clear so that guards can easily patrol and watch them.

No what is odd is how old the trees are inside the perimeter; this is not a camp a few years old. There are many reasons for high hedges and none of them are to do with mass murder. Once again that is speculation and mere conjecture, not aligned with the normality of the photos.

The photos also show Nazis who can be identified and who were part of the T4 euthanasia project. They were people who had proved themselves capable of stomaching killing others considered as sub human.

So what, euthanasia is currently legal the Netherlands, Belgium, Colombia, Luxembourg, and Canada. It is likely to be legal soon in NZ. At the time it was legal in the Reich as it should have been.

Then there is what can be seen above the covered fences. Apparently a chimney and excavators are visible.

Chimneys. There was no crematoria at Sobibor. Narrative says "After the killing in the gas chambers, the corpses were collected by Sonderkommando and taken to mass graves or cremated in the open air".

The excavators could be there but that means absolutely nothing.

[Turnagain]

LMAO! Nessie turns and squirms, turning himself every which way but inside out trying to "fix" his fellow Klown's obvious blunder. Face it, Nessie, SM screwed the pooch and you ain't gonna' "fix" it.

[Nessie]

LMAO! Nessie turns and squirms, turning himself every which way but inside out trying to "fix" his fellow Klown's obvious blunder. Face it, Nessie, SM screwed the pooch and you ain't gonna' "fix" it.

Why would Niemann take photos that would incriminate himself and his colleagues? What did he not photograph behind the covered fence?

Why would he not take photos of that would have shown Sobibor was just a transit camp?

Where are all the transit photos? By the end of 1942, some 101,370 people had arrived at Sobibor. Over two months in 1943, some 33,000 Dutch people arrived. If they were processed in the camp and transported onwards, where are the photos?

Niemann took numerous photos of normal activity at the camp, so why not the transports? What was he avoiding?

[Turnagain]

LMAO! Nessie turns and squirms, turning himself every which way but inside out trying to "fix" his fellow Klown's obvious blunder. Face it, Nessie, SM screwed the pooch and you ain't gonna' "fix" it.

Why would Niemann take photos that would incriminate himself and his colleagues? What did he not photograph behind the covered fence?

Why would he not take photos of that would have shown Sobibor was just a transit camp?

Where are all the transit photos? By the end of 1942, some 101,370 people had arrived at Sobibor. Over two months in 1943, some 33,000 Dutch people arrived. If they were processed in the camp and transported onwards, where are the photos?

Niemann took numerous photos of normal activity at the camp, so why not the transports? What was he avoiding?

Nessie squirms even more. Do ya' mean that Niemann's photos didn't include any Jews except incidentally? Have you examined the album and all of the photos? Got anything besides your suppositions? Like your chimney for the nonexistent crematoria?