Is Holocaust revisionism antisemitic?

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Is Holocaust revisionism antisemitic?

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By exposing who Juden are is not antisemitic.
Take a step back.
All religions are fake; Islam and Christianity are just off shoots of Judaism.

To deny all religions is equal and responsible; none of them have a purpose in reality.

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Antisemitism is a word invented by those who consider themselves descendant of Abraham in an attempt to stop criticism of their antics (JuTrix). When I refer to Habiru, I mean Internationale Juden only, not the people who just like to have a Candelabra in their house and pray to some obscure deity.

In a way the use of the word antisemitism is an attempt to shame people, a method of thought control, an adoption of their mindset; this is why they have control over much of the media. They influence political thinking more than Russia Gate ever did in the United States; they are responsible for the false flag events at Douma and the Novichok Scripal case; both attempts to discredit the Russians and Syrians. Incidentally this coincides at the time when the Russians along with China declared an independent economic system from the jüdisch inspired US system.

By declaring Holocaust Revisionism antisemitic is a form of mind control due to the negative connotations invoked. It is also elliptical reasoning:

Examining and finding fault with the Holocaust narrative is Antisemitic because it is antisemitic to declare 6 million Juden did not perish in gaskammer or shooting. I am confident if the Nationalsozialists did not exist and no WWII the Holocaust would still exist with someone else getting the blame.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Russian President Vladimir Putin that Iran is seeking to commit another Holocaust by exterminating six million more Jews

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As a matter of formal logic it is not antisemitic.

In practice, it ends up being antisemitic, because only those with a strong pro-Nazi (i.e. anti-Jewish) bias can bring themselves to believe it, in light of the overwhelming historical evidence for the Holocaust.

As a pragmatic matter, though, it's not a good idea to call deniers antisemites. Just stick to the history, where they lose badly.
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WiseGnome wrote:
...in light of the overwhelming historical evidence for the Holocaust.
Well, that's good for a giggle. To what "overwhelming evidence" are you referring? The thousands of tons of human cremains found at the AR camps or Auschwitz-Birkenau? Oh, wait a minute, nobody has actually found any substantial amounts of human cremains but it's a "historical fact" that they are there. That about right, WiseGnome?
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Turnagain wrote: 27 Apr 2020, 03:35 WiseGnome wrote:
...in light of the overwhelming historical evidence for the Holocaust.
Well, that's good for a giggle. To what "overwhelming evidence" are you referring? The thousands of tons of human cremains found at the AR camps or Auschwitz-Birkenau? Oh, wait a minute, nobody has actually found any substantial amounts of human cremains but it's a "historical fact" that they are there. That about right, WiseGnome?
One of the first posts and exposes itself as a troll.

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It's "overwhelming evidence" exposes himself for something but I don't know if "troll" is the right word.
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I've never come across a Holocaust denier who didn't hold some sort of anti-semitic views. Some deniers are more extreme than others, but it is still there in the background somewhere.

I would describe David Irving as a moderate anti-semite who in the past has said some awful things about Jews, but even his well known book Hitler's War admitted that the Nazis carried out terrible things and he admitted that the Nazis killed millions of Jews.

On the other hand, I would consider Friedrich Berg to be the worst of the worst and he was openly a neo-Nazi who thought that the Nazis were 'heroes'. He didn't just question parts of the Holocaust, he was to the extreme of Holocaust denial and thought that the Holocaust was an anti-German hoax.
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Roberto1945 wrote:
I've never come across a Holocaust denier who didn't hold some sort of anti-semitic views.
Aww, do ya' mean the poor, sufferink Jews? The most put upon victims the world has ever known? Gee, how can us ignorant goyim ever make it up to you Jews? Should we become your slaves and labor to keep you Jews in luxury like your holy book, the Talmud says that we should? Tell us how we can serve you, Roberto.
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Roberto1945 wrote: 09 May 2021, 11:21 I've never come across a Holocaust denier who didn't hold some sort of anti-semitic views...
To know whether that statement is accurate, it will be necessary to understand your definition of ‘holocaust denial’ and your definition of ‘anti-semitism’.

I myself do not deny the race-based prejudice and treatment of Jews during WW2 by the NSDAP, so can not fairly be called a “denier” of ANY currently consensus history of WW2. I DO doubt some aspects of that historical narrative. But that is based on reason, logic, evidence and impartial analysis so is not denial of any of it.

Also I do not harbour any prejudice against any individual or ethnicity or race. I judge everyone on their behaviour and character, not their religion, skin-colour or ancestry.

Interestingly, what your statement indicates is that YOU do appear to harbour feelings of hatred, intolerance and irrational prejudice against people for a.) not being of the same ethnicity as yourself and for b.) not sharing the same belief-system as you.

Oh the irony! :D :ugeek:
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been-there wrote: 09 May 2021, 13:55
Roberto1945 wrote: 09 May 2021, 11:21 I've never come across a Holocaust denier who didn't hold some sort of anti-semitic views...
To know whether that statement is accurate, it will be necessary to understand your definition of ‘holocaust denial’ and your definition of ‘anti-semitism’.

I myself do not deny the race-based prejudice and treatment of Jews during WW2 by the NSDAP, so can not fairly be called a “denier” of ANY currently consensus history of WW2. I DO doubt some aspects of that historical narrative. But that is based on reason, logic, evidence and impartial analysis so is not denial of any of it.

Also I do not harbour any prejudice against any individual or ethnicity or race. I judge everyone on their behaviour and character, not their religion, skin-colour or ancestry.

Interestingly, what your statement indicates is that YOU do appear to harbour feelings of hatred, intolerance and irrational prejudice against people for a.) not being of the same ethnicity as yourself and for b.) not sharing the same belief-system as you.

Oh the irony! :D :ugeek:
You deny that the Nazis gassed Jews at the extermination camps like Treblinka.

You are a Holocaust denier.
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