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Huntinger wrote:
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The Atlanta Journal and Constitution newspaper estimates that only half of the Jewish “Holocaust survivors” around the world in 1985 had received restitution under the BEG. If this 50% estimate is accurate, it would mean that approximately 5.8 million European Jews survived German persecution during World War II. Such a large number of surviving Jews is not consistent with a German program of genocide against European Jewry.
Plagiarised from an article by Mark Webber for IHR;

https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p243_Weber.html
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Here is an article by a Jewish propagandist promoting the flawed and protected Holy-co$t pseudo-historical WW2 narrative.
Aaron Sankin and others like him appear to be ramping up their censorship via their control of internet news-outlets plus companies like Google, FB, Twitter, Wikipedia, Quora, etc.

As Aaron Sankin appears to be a paid liar, mind-manipulator, cult-enforcer and distorter of reality, I have amended [tweaked] it to make it more truthful and accurate. :D :ugeek:

I thought folks here migh find it of interest as IHR, Mark Weber, CODOH and Ernst Zündel get unfair, dishonest mentions and are made targets of calumny. ;)
Facebook said it would ban Holocaust deniers [skeptics]. Instead, its algorithm
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Anti-Semitic [Truth-seeking] groups are still flourishing on Facebook

By [biased Jewish propagandist] Aaron Sankin | November 24, 2020.

Last month, Facebook announced a crackdown: The platform would no longer permit content that “denies or distorts the Holocaust” as part of its larger policy prohibiting hate speech.

While noting that successful enforcement could take time, Monika Bickert, Facebook’s vice president of content policy, explained the ban in a blog post. “Our decision is supported by the well-documented[manipulated and distorted bogus-statistics falsely alleging] rise in anti-Semitism globally and the alarming level of ignorance [accurate knowledge being increasingly circulated and thus natural skepticism] about the Holocaust, especially among young people” she wrote.

But as of mid-November, The Markup has found, numerous Facebook pages for well-known Holocaust denial [revision] groups remain active — and for users who find the pages, Facebook’s algorithms continue to recommend related content, effectively creating a network for pushing anti-Semitic [unwelcome factual] content.

Facebook has long struggled to tamp down on quick-traveling misinformation and shape-shifting conspiracy groups, but many of the discriminatory pages The Markup found either belonged to groups with a long history of prominence within the Holocaust denial [revision] movement or directly referenced well-known anti-Semitic or white nationalist [rival viewpoint] memes, making them seem like obvious targets for Facebook’s crackdown.

It’s unclear whether Facebook considers the posts and groups The Markup found unacceptable. The company did not announce how it would define Holocaust denial [revision], and the company did not respond to multiple requests for comment; all the pages and posts referenced in this article were still active as of Nov. 23 at 5 p.m. ET.

None of the organizations tied to the Facebook pages mentioned in this story responded to The Markup’s request for comment.

The Markup relied on the judgments of outside organizations that monitor hate groups to identify Holocaust denial [revision] groups. And while some pages were explicit — like the “Holohoax tales” — others were more subtle and shied away from explicitly mentioning the Holocaust.

For example, the Institute for Historical Review (IHR) has a Facebook page with more than 1,300 followers, despite being identified by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as “a pseudo-academic organization that claims to seek ‘truth and accuracy in history,’ but [and] whose real purpose is to promote [fairly examaine] Holocaust denial [revision] and defend investigate academically] Nazism [accurate history].”

The group also has a Twitter account, despite that company’s similar ban on Holocaust denial [revision].

Twitter spokesperson Ian Plunkett told The Markup that the account is “not currently in violation of our policies.”

Recent posts on the group’s Facebook page include a link to an episode of the Institute for Historical Review’s podcast attacking the post-WWII Nuremberg trials for being unfair to the German officials who were found guilty of committing war crimes. The host of that podcast, Mark Weber, is described by the SPLC as having “probably done more than any other American to popularize denial [revision] of the World War II Holocaust of European Jews.”

Another post links to an article listing Jewish donors who gave the largest amount during the 2020 U.S. election cycle. And another consisted of a link to a Guardian article about how most young people in the U.K. were unaware of many specifics of the Holocaust, adding a string of astonished-face emoji. Comments on the post attacked Jewish people for supposedly trying to assert “victimhood” as a result of the Nazi regime’s genocidal [wartime] ambitions.

“Holocaust denial [revision], whether on Facebook or elsewhere, is most effective when the deniers [revisionists] mix enough factual material into their arguments to confuse readers :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: (including content moderators) or obfuscate their core beliefs,” said Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL). “Others have become adept at communicating with codewords to avoid detection by content moderators. This underscores the importance of high-quality training for both human moderators and detection algorithms.”

In a box on the side of the IHR page, Facebook has suggestions for other “related pages” that users might find interesting. Facebook routinely recommends groups — but in this case, the algorithmically derived suggestions potentially serve as a direct vector for radicalization.

Facebook, for instance, points visitors to IHR’s page to another Facebook group, called CODOH Revisionist Forum, short for Committee for Open Debate on the Holocast. In a 2010 report, the Anti-Defamation League said that group’s mission was “to disseminate Holocaust denial [revision] to students on college campuses.”

Visitors to the CODOH page would find a link to a blog entry titled “Holohoax Tales” on the organization’s website. And Facebook users may also encounter additional recommendations for pages to visit on the platform, including Castle Hill Publishers, which the SPLC lists as another active Holocaust denial [revision] group and which has deep ties to CODOH.

From there, Facebook recommended a fan page for Ernst Zündel, a neo-Nazi [patriotic, ex-patriot German truth-seeker] who died in 2017 who was notable both for his Holocaust denial [revision] and his authorship of a book titled “The Hitler we loved and why.” From the Zündel page, Facebook recommended a group named after the white nationalist “white genocide” conspiracy theory, which charges that a shadowy cabal of Jews is actively working to destroy the White race by encouraging race-mixing.

And the chain of recommended pages continues, leading users further and further into a web of discriminatory [alternative] content. While many of these pages in this algorithmically created network focus on anti-Semitism [unwelcomed, fact-based, alternative views of history], some of the recommended pages promote hate against other groups, like African Americans.

Page recommendations on Facebook do vary from user to user, but these related-page recommendations appeared both when The Markup visited them directly while logged into a reporter’s personal account and when the page was captured through a direct, not-logged-in visit by the third-party web archiving tool Archive.Today.

“Unfortunately, Holocaust denial [revision] has been a serious problem that ADL has been flagging for Facebook for more than a decade” Greenblatt said, while also noting that Facebook has removed some anti-Semitic pages after announcing the ban. “The good news is that they are finally taking action, but clearly much more needs to be done to effectively identify and remove this form of blatant [dubiously alleged] antisemitism on their platform”.

Facebook initially resisted banning Holocaust-denying [revising] content

In a 2018 interview, Facebook founder Mark Zuckerberg told Recode that, while he didn’t agree with those saying the Holocaust never happened, he didn’t feel it was his company’s job to remove that content from his platform.

“I find that deeply offensive. But at the end of the day, I don’t believe that our platform should take that down because I think there are things that different people get wrong” Zuckerberg said.

Facebook’s stated reason for the policy change stemmed from concerns about how public ignorance [access to more accurate info] about the Holocaust related to the prevalence [dubious allegations] of anti-Semitism.

“Institutions focused on Holocaust research and remembrance, such as Yad Vashem, have noted that Holocaust education is also a key component in combatting anti-Semitism, [unwelcomed facts]” Bickert wrote at the time.

The post also noted that, beginning later this year, Facebook will start directing users to factual [biased, incomplete, protected propaganda] information about the Holocaust when they search for terms related to the event or terms associated with Holocaust denial [revision]. Those information boxes have yet to [many times] appear[ed] on any of the Holocaust denial [revision] pages...

https://themarkup.org/news/2020/11/24/f ... tisemitism
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The last days of ‘the Holocaust’

Holocaust revisionism is perhaps the most institutionally reviled, criminally punished and socially persecuted field of research in modern Western history.

Yet, on this year’s much publicized 75th anniversary of the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz, the gatekeepers of the Holocaust continue to give ground, kicking and screaming along the way.

The latest example is a new book by former Museum of Jewish Heritage director David G. Marwell, ‘Unmasking the 'Angel of Death’ which grants many revisionist challenges to the legend of Joseph Mengele.
Marwell's work is considered the most well-researched mainstream biography of Mengele to date. In it, he cross references witness testimony from "survivors" with hard evidence and primary sources, only to conclude that their "memories" were "unreliable." In other words, they are lying.
Stitching together humans to create siamese twins, smashing babies against train cars, attempts to transform boys into girls - all of the barbarism etched into the popular mind about a German in a labcoat, Marwell concludes, is nothing but a pack of atrocious hoaxes.

Marwell does stress that Mengele was a true-believing Nationalsocialist, which in his mind is an act of evil in and of itself. According to the book, he also at times overstepped ethical boundaries, for example when studying the effects of food deprivation on the human body, but the so-called "Angel of Death" made up for this by giving subjects superior accommodations and privileged treatment when the experiments were over. The twins and dwarves he studied were treated kindly, even if looking at living people as laboratory specimens in any context is dehumanizing. By and large, the book admits that what is commonly known about Mengele is fiction constructed by rumors, novels and Hollywood which have been held as true thanks to Jewish "eyewitnesses" substantiating the hoaxes post-hoc.

Mengele's main achievement at the camp, which Marwell credits him for, was containing and preventing a massive outbreak of typhus at Auschwitz in difficult circumstances. Alex McNabb had previously written about this, and was attacked by Zionist commentators for it. This saved thousands of lives, Jewish and Gentile alike. Mengele was not motivated by hate and sadism. His most intimate letters and confessions show only a passion for advancing medical science.

Majdanek: no longer a death camp?
Another relatively recent victory won by revisionists is a quiet adjustment by the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum to their page on the Nazi "killing centers," They have been forced to admit that the Majdanek camp in Poland was not used to exterminate Jews.

The USHMM credits "recent research" for retracting what has traditionally been considered the sixth death camp. This is research dissident historians have contributed to while risking their freedoms, employment prospects and lives. The work of such revisionists has been partially archived here. .

Majdanek was the first camp liberated by the Soviet Union, in 1944. There, they found Zyklon-B canisters, ovens and showers, which Soviet propagandists used to declare that over a million Jews were systematically murdered by gas. The evidence provided by the USSR were German documents that they asserted held coded references to systematic homicide gassings. The pattern is similar to what they later argued with Auschwitz, also liberated by the Soviets. Multiple camp guards and commanders were charged with war crimes and given the death penalty based on fictitious claims related to Majdanek.

This fairy tale was promoted by a variety of Jewish and some non-Jewish scholars. In recent years, the death toll itself has been drastically reduced from 1.3 million victims according to the academic Lucy Dawidowicz, to 78,000 according to the chief historian at the camp's museum today. Revisionists hold that the numbers of people who died, largely of typhus, dysentary, etc, could be half of even that official figure.

The immovable force of Auschwitz
If you've noticed that the Holocaust story appears more centered around Auschwitz than usual, it's because this is the last straw Holocaustians have to grasp on.
But here too, we are beginning to see official omissions of previously claimed homicidal gas chambers, for example at Auschwitz I (Stammlager), the main camp tourists visit. The USHMM now specifically distinguishes only Auschwitz II (Birkenau) as the site of homicide gassings.

Revisionists like Robert Faurisson have always contended that the gas chamber shown to visitors is a fake. Even thought the French newspaper L'Express was able to get the Auschwitz Museum to admit that the gas chambers they show to people are phony, official tour guides still present the exhibit as an authentic homicide gas chamber. On the infamous Deborah Lipstadt's website, it says that the gas chamber isn't a fake intended to fool visitors, it's a "recreation" meant to be "symbolic"!

Auschwitz appears to be the fortress those invested in Holocaust mythology are staking their last stand on. It is impossible for them to give any more ground without the whole story collapsing.
But nothing is etched in stone. The aggressive attempt at a Zionist shakedown of Poland, as well as antagonising its people, could put the myth in danger. The Polish government could shut them up tomorrow by inviting both revisionists and affirmers to do an unrestricted forensic analysis of all the Auschwitz facilities and grounds. I doubt the Israelis will like the results.

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The sanctity of the Holocaust narrative becomes even more imperiled thanks to the in-your-face genocidal jingoism of Netanyahu and the unsophisticated political class steering the Israeli ship. International Jewry has spent much of the last 75 years using the Holocaust as the sacred myth guiding the neo-liberal globalist order.
Netanyahu today uses it as a cheap gimmick to push for Israel's short-term geopolitical goals. The Israeli's actively tried to make Vladimir Putin the star of this year's Holocaust show, even though most Jews see Russia as an affront to the liberal world order. Netanyahu is desperate to do whatever it takes to pull the Russians away from their alliances in Syria and Iran so that the Israeli war machine can continue to advance.

At this point, it's not a question of historical accuracy but of power. And only power can check power. We are living in the last days of the Holohoax.

| By Eric Striker | January 29th, 2020 |
https://national-justice.com/op-ed-last-days-holocaust

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