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The medical evidence shows it is not common or obvious till many hours after death, assuming the body is not moved. Moving bodies out of gas chambers starting 30 minutes after death to immediate burial or cremation is why few signs of discolouration were noticed.
The witnesses have given evidence consistent with the medical evidence. That backs them up as telling the truth.
There is still a considerable time to dispose of the bodies. You do not understand lividity and apparently not inflammation. Now the cremation is immediate. How remarkable, the Nazis could burn 2000 bodies immediately. This is a startling change down from your original magic figure of 7 mins.
There you go, Nessie has claimed the Nazis perfected immediate body disposal.
As you claim that lividity would not set in, the bodies should then be normal coloured, but your witnesses describe livid colours. Be nice to have it both ways but you cannot.
Wenn wir die Flagge, die wir aus dem Nichts gerissen haben, nicht halten können, müssen Sie, meine Söhne und Töchter, greifendie Fahne in deiner Faust...Führer der NSDAP Adolf Hitler
The medical evidence shows it is not common or obvious till many hours after death, assuming the body is not moved. Moving bodies out of gas chambers starting 30 minutes after death to immediate burial or cremation is why few signs of discolouration were noticed.
The witnesses have given evidence consistent with the medical evidence. That backs them up as telling the truth.
There is still a considerable time to dispose of the bodies. You do not understand lividity and apparently not inflammation.
Clearly I do understand, more than Berg or you. Neither of you can produce medical evidence to show on death the skin goes commonly and obviously cherry red prior to lividity forming.
Now the cremation is immediate. How remarkable, the Nazis could burn 2000 bodies immediately. This is a startling change down from your original magic figure of 7 mins.
There you go, Nessie has claimed the Nazis perfected immediate body disposal.
That is your misreading of what I said. The bodies were immediately taken to be cremated or buried.
As you claim that lividity would not set in, the bodies should then be normal coloured, but your witnesses describe livid colours. Be nice to have it both ways but you cannot.
What witnesses are they? Wiernik described all dead as being yellow. Rajchman said bodies did look natural as well as describing various colours.
Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.
Look at the Nuremberg testimonies. You only suit evidence for what you think. Please be honest.
Wenn wir die Flagge, die wir aus dem Nichts gerissen haben, nicht halten können, müssen Sie, meine Söhne und Töchter, greifendie Fahne in deiner Faust...Führer der NSDAP Adolf Hitler
Although no evidence of "gassing" was found, Bolker and the prosecutors were still able to sentence a hapless German male nurse to death for overdosing with painkillers--and so, the exercise was not a total waste of time for the Jews. They got their "pound of flesh." Shame on them all!
These people are the criminals and feel no shame.
Der Nationalsozialismus ist ein Protest gegen jeden Staat, der ihnen die Würde verweigert.
""A rumor going around Dachau after we got there was that many of the prisoners were poisoned. I did a lot of toxicological analysis to determine the facts and removed organs from a cross-section of about 30 or 40 bodies and sent them into Paris to the Army's First Medical Laboratory for analysis, since I lacked the proper facilities in the field. The reports came back negative. I could not find where any of these people had been poisoned. The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic and developed a serious mental disease after internment at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken into a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false showerheads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only a relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer.""
""A rumor going around Dachau after we got there was that many of the prisoners were poisoned. I did a lot of toxicological analysis to determine the facts and removed organs from a cross-section of about 30 or 40 bodies and sent them into Paris to the Army's First Medical Laboratory for analysis, since I lacked the proper facilities in the field. The reports came back negative. I could not find where any of these people had been poisoned. The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic and developed a serious mental disease after internment at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken into a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false showerheads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only a relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer.""
i was always curious why would they have a room with fake shower heads? its not questioned that it exists. how do revisionists explain this?
did the americans install them?
""A rumor going around Dachau after we got there was that many of the prisoners were poisoned. I did a lot of toxicological analysis to determine the facts and removed organs from a cross-section of about 30 or 40 bodies and sent them into Paris to the Army's First Medical Laboratory for analysis, since I lacked the proper facilities in the field. The reports came back negative. I could not find where any of these people had been poisoned. The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or another. However, we did probe into such questions as, 'What happened to those prisoners who became psychotic and developed a serious mental disease after internment at Dachau? What did the Gestapo do with them?' Well, they took those people to the crematorium. First, however, they were taken into a big windowless building next to the crematorium where the ceiling was covered with false showerheads. The victims were then ordered to strip and take a 'shower.' Outside the building, guards dropped in cyanide pellets. Then they'd blow the cyanide gas out and remove the bodies next door to the crematorium ovens. I think this is what happened to most of the truly psychotic prisoners and those they considered unruly and unmanageable and who, in the Gestapo's opinion, were incorrigibles. But, in my opinion, only a relatively few of the inmates I personally examined at Dachau were murdered in this manner. Still, medical facilities were totally inadequate. When people fell hopelessly ill and death was imminent, and they grew so weak they could no longer work or function, they were taken to the cyanide room for disposal. The Nazi called them 'mercy killings' because there was no hope of them getting well. Actually, the Germans considered them a liability, and extermination was the answer.""
i was always curious why would they have a room with fake shower heads? its not questioned that it exists. how do revisionists explain this?
did the americans install them?
Because the Germans wanted to conceal the purpose of their mass-killing operations to the victims themselves until the very last moment.
Dabbing wrote:i was always curious why would they have a room with fake shower heads? its not questioned that it exists. how do revisionists explain this?
did the americans install them?
Because they weren't fake. They were real shower heads in a real shower.
Dabbing wrote:i was always curious why would they have a room with fake shower heads? its not questioned that it exists. how do revisionists explain this?
did the americans install them?
Because they weren't fake. They were real shower heads in a real shower.
you sure? connected with piping and all?
methinks i remember a american video with just shower heads not even connected
