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For those who aren't aware of the issue with Hoess and Treblinka:
  • His alleged visit cannot be made to make sense for any date one chooses it to have occurred.
  • He doesn't describe Treblinka in any way that we think it to have been at any time (other than claiming gassings with engine exhaust).
  • He claims that the Treblinka commandant had slaughtered 80,000 Jews in its 6 months operation up to his visit.
  • The very reason given for the Treblinka visit conflicts with what is alleged to have been the timeline of the first Auschwitz gassings.

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Here is a pertinent quote from Hoess' memoirs:
As far as I know, in addition to Auschwitz, the other extermination centers for Jews were as follows:
  • Chelmno near Litzmannstadt - Engine exhaust gas
  • Treblinka on the Bug - Engine exhaust gas
  • Sobibor near Lublin - Engine exhaust gas
  • Belzec near Lemberg - Engine exhaust gas
  • Lublin [Majdanek] - Cyclon B
I personally have seen only Chelmno and Treblinka. Chelmno was no longer being used, but I saw the entire operation at Treblinka.

Treblinka was built directly near the railroad tracks and had several chambers capable of holding hundreds of people. The Jews went straight into the gas chambers without undressing by way of a platform which was level with the railroad cars. An engine room equipped with various types of engines taken from large tracks and tanks had been built next to the gas chambers. These were started up and the exhaust gases were fed by pipes into the gas chambers, thereby killing the people inside. The process was continued for more than a half an hour until everything was silent inside the rooms. In an hour's time, the gas chambers were opened and the bodies were taken out, undressed, and burned on a frame made from metal railroad tracks.

The fires were fed with wood, and the bodies were sprayed every once in a while with used oil. During my visit everyone who was gassed was dead. But I was told that the performance of the engines was not always consistent, so that the exhaust gases were often not strong enough to kill everyone in the chambers. Many of them were only unconscious and had to be finished off by shooting them. I had heard the same story in Chelmno, and I was also told by Eichmann that these problems had occurred in other places.

Hoss, Rudolf. Death Dealer: The Memoirs of the SS Kommandant at Auschwitz . Prometheus Books. Kindle Edition.

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Höß wrote his memoirs while awaiting execution. It is clear that the writing is his own and at that time the torture to confess had stopped. He says he was beaten with his own whip. Klaus, his son was captured by the British and beaten badly. One needs to speculate why this man who his daughter described as "the nicest man in the world" would write death memoirs. I think any real man would do anything to protect his family.


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Anyone who wants to understand the current view of what is nebulously referred to as 'the Holocaust' and who wants to impartially understand WW2 will HAVE to understand the Jewish role in moulding public perception of that.

Jews and Jewish-controlled mass-media, with Jewish advisers to governments (Fredrick Lindemann, Leo Amery, Ivan Maisky, Morgantheau, Bernard Baruch, William C. Bullitt, etc., etc.,) have been moulding public perception of that war:
• from BEFORE it even started,
• to helping causing it,
• to helping mobilise public support for waging it against Germany,
• for demonising Hitler prior to and after the war,
• for publicising false atrocity propaganda against the entire German nation during the war and AFTER it was over,
• and for still today creating a compulsory narrative regarding WW2, the European Jewish experience of it and of the NSDAP.

Remember that it was organisations representing world Jewry who decided on a public show-trial of high ranking Germans at Nuremberg for ‘war crimes’ after WW2. None of the victor leaders (who knew they themselves were war-criminal mass-murderers of millions of deliberately targeted civilians: Stalin, Churchill, Roosevelt and Truman) — wanted that initially.

Here is an aricle bragging about the key role of three Jews operating behind the scenes in initiating and influencing the Nuremberg show-trials. One of these Jews admits that Jewish organisations have been working on this mission to elevate Jewish suffering since the beginning of 1941!
Since the establishment of the Institute for Jewish Affairs, [Jew] Jacob Robinson of the Institute and it's team had laboured to make the make the point that the massacre of European Jewry was a unique and distinct crime. “We have been working in this field for four and a half years” he wrote to Jackson in June 1945.
...Close study of World Jewish Congress archive materials by Professor Mark Lewis... [show that] Robinson and the World Jewish Congress more than anything else wanted recognition of the Germans’ crimes against the Jewish people as a whole. “The crimes committed against the Jews were …one collective crime directed against a people — a crime [that] started when Hitler took power” as Robinson explained to the Institute’s staff in December 1944.

In the lead up to the Nuremberg Trial, [Jew] Sir Hersch Lauterpacht (the Whewell Professor of International Law at the University of Cambridge) ardently urged the British authorities to pursue Nazi war criminals when the war was over, and he tried, unsuccessfully, to persuade the London-based United Nations War Crimes Commission to establish a special unit to look into anti-Jewish crimes.
https://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-a ... -nuremberg
Remember also that according to the man who was the executive trial counsel and supervisor for the United States team in Nuremberg, about 75% of the Nuremberg 'team' who orchestrated that 'show-trial' were Jews. As anyone who critically and impartially looks into this will know and learn, these 'Jews' were “pushing, crowding and competing with each other and with everyone” in a quest for both revenge and world publicity of the Allied atrocity propaganda now known and worshipped as 'THE Holocaust'. Jewish prosecutors, Jewish investigators, Jewish translators, Jewish interrogators, Jewish prison psychiatrists, Jewish clerics, etc., etc.

Saying this fact publically will be a cause to get yourself reviled, rebuked and even punished for supposedly repeating anti-semitic hate tropes. This is the situation society has now reached, when speaking the truth has become treated as a thought-crime.

Here it is though, written in a letter to his wife on September 25, 1945 and revealed to the world by his son:
Thomas J. Dodd wrote:“You know how I have despised anti-Semitism. You know how strongly I feel toward those who preach intolerance of any kind. With that knowledge you will understand when I tell you that this staff is about seventy-five percent Jewish. Now my point is that the Jews should stay away from this trial, for their own sake. For — mark this well — the charge ‘a war for the Jews’ is still being made and in the post-war years it will be made again and again. The too large percentage of Jewish men and women here will be cited as proof of this charge. Sometimes it seems that the Jews will never learn about these things. They seem intent on bringing new difficulties down on their own heads. I do not like to write about this matter — it is distasteful to me — but I am disturbed about it. They are pushing and crowding and competing with each other and with everyone else.”
Jews not only created that war for Jewish self-interests, they brag about how they have moulded public perceptions towards that war.
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In addition to his articulate and learned case for the need to prosecute war crimes and to establish individual criminal responsibility, summed up in an influential article he published in 1944, [Jew] Sir Hersch Lauterpacht’s distinct contribution to the Nuremberg Trial, written into Article 6 of the IMT, is now widely recognised to have been helping to formulate the notion of a tripartite definition of Nazi criminality (crimes against peace, war crimes, and crimes against humanity) and in particular the idea of the latter — clearly one of the major legal innovations of the trial.
“Crimes against humanity” — later referred to by Jackson as having been suggested by an “eminent scholar of international law” now acknowledged to have been Lauterpacht — derived from the Americans’ concern, at the London planning conference that assembled in the summer of 1945 to plan the trial, about capturing Nazi crimes that, while associated with the war, were committed both before the outbreak of the conflict in 1939 and also were perpetrated against victims in the Germans’ own population.
Lauterpacht, I should add, also played an important role in the drafting of the speeches for his friend the first British chief prosecutor Sir David Maxwell-Fyfe and then, when the Conservatives were replaced by Labour, his successor the new attorney general Sir Hartley Shawcross.
That article brags about the influence of thre Jews who acted behind the scenes — bragging that they invented terms such as 'genocide' and even wrote the speeches of the chief prosecutors.

Factor in to this understanding of Jewish contrived post-war injustice and vengeance, that the key Third Reich personnel who could dispute and expose the holocaust mythology were being interrogated and tortured principally by German-speaking Jews or were conveniently found dead (murdered?) in custody.

Heinrich Himmler is the most obvious example of that. He very credibly denied any policy to mass-murder Jews in April 1945 to the Jewish representative for Sweden of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) a man named Norbert Masur.
Few people today have ever heard of Mr. Masur nor know of his account of his meeting with Himmler so soon before Himmler's convenient death — allegedly by suicide — whilst in British custody. Think why that is.

Remember also that the last Auschwitz Kommandant Richared Baer not only denied any mass-gassing programme at Auschwitz but ridiculed the gullibility of people to believe such obviously impractical nonsense narratives. He also died in captivity, dying in his cell shortly before a public trial.
Few people today have ever heard of Mr. Baer nor know of his informed rebuttal of the emerging 'Holocaust' mass-gassing mythology.
Think, why is it that no-one knows his name, yet almost everyone has heard of Dr. Mengele?
Mind-control, mental manipulation, mass-conditioning is the explanation.

Recall also that Josef Kramer stayed at his post to hand over Bergen-Belsen to the British in order to prevent an outbreak of Typhus spreading outside the camp. For this humanitarian devotion to duty — and for the well-being of all, civilian, British military, whoever — he was treated abominably and finally hanged. The British Officers who reneged on the agreement of the hand-over of the camp were British Jews.
Three Jewish men were among the first British soldiers who entered the liberated [Bergen-Belsen] camp on April 15, 1944. Among these liberators was Captain Derek Sington, a young man working for British Intelligence at the time these events occurred. Sington appears to have been one of the designated senior officials to first enter Belsen. His written account of the camp’s liberation indicates that he acted with ... the camp commander, Josef Kramer, who was waiting just outside of the main camp to greet and escort the British troops upon arrival.
...On the morning of April 18th, after having spent [three] days and nights in a vile underground cellar enveloped in total darkness, Josef Kramer was taken out of his cell and prepared for transfer out of the camp. The former commandant was manhandled and shackled, both hands and legs. The shackles were much too small for his enormous wrists and cut gaping gashes into his flesh. Kramer was then prodded into a jeep, his shirt ripped from his back, and paraded throughout the camp half-naked, to the accompaniment of jeers, hooting, catcalls, and a resonant howling which sounded to one witness as a “terrifying blend of joy and hate.”
Insults and accusations were not the only items thrown at Kramer. Whatever object the inmates could lay their hands on was thrown at Kramer as he crouched as low as he could in the vehicle, trying to avoid any potentially damaging missiles. Two British soldiers were poised directly behind Kramer, constantly prodding him in the spine with their sten guns, which was a cause for great jubilation among the gleeful inmates, and provoked them to howling with “joy and hate.” After he had been duly exposed to the contempt and wrath of the inmates, Kramer was driven out of the compound, amidst a hail of garbage and debris, never to return.
Kramer is another who initially denied any knowledge of a mass-gassing policy, but after coercion/‘interrogation’/torture he changed his testimony and accepted the lynching that victor-justice had pre-destined for him.
KRAMER DENIES HIS GUILT
LÜNEBURG, Wednesday.

"All died from natural causes", protested Kramer in a statement read In court in which
he declared that the allegations of mass executions in the gas chambers
and of whippings at Auschwitz were untrue from beginning to end
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Oswald Pohl is another chief SS Officer who categorically denied a mass-gassing policy.
Pohl became the third most powerful figure in the SS, behind Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich.
Reading the Jewish-controlled and policed Wikipedia stubs of these two men Kramer and Pohl, you would never know they refuted the mass-gassing narrative.

But this is how our history is currently being censored and effectively re-written by TV, junk journalism and social media like Wikipedia and Quora, all largely controlled, owned or influenced by people who see themselves as Jews first and foremost, with tribal loyalties to World Jewry before country or nation.

Jews — via the social-media online businesses they own — are currently involved in erasing the history that reveals all this. Wikipedia, Youtube, Facebook, Quora, Google, etc., etc., are currently censoring the net and eradicating content using the excuse of removing 'anti-semitic' content.

And stating the factual, verifiable truth of this is silenced and criminalised as "anti-semitism".

Hitler, Göring, Frank, Kaltenbrunner, Himmler, Ribbentropp: the list of high-ranking Third Reich Officers who denied the mass gassing allegations is not only extremely long, it is a 100% consistent rebuttal of the accusation as a lie. THEY ALL CATEGORICALLY DENIED ANY INVOLVEMENT OR KNOWLEDGE OF IT !!!
Yet, most people you talk to today not only do not know this, they delusionally believe the opposite, that the vast majority confessed to being involved.
How is this possible!!?? How can so many people believe the diametrical opposite of the truth?

Joseph Goebbels is another who when asked, categorically denied the mass-gassing atrocity propaganda. Yet who knows this today? According to Goebbel's senior colleaugue Dr. Hans Fritszche, Goebbels said “the gas trucks that they mentioned in the Russian trial were a product of someone's fevered imagination, without any basis whatsoever in fact”.
[Hans Fritzsche, June 26th 1946. IMT xvii, pg. 200]

Yet facts such as these are not only never mentioned by main-stream media, TV documentaries or journalists, but the EXACT OPPOSITE is promulgated.

What happened then — the silencing and concealment of truth through murder, intimidation, coercion, bribery, blackmail, and behind-the-scenes influence, by organised world jewry is still happening now.

That is why British media tycoon Robert Maxwell was murdered by the Israeli intelligence agency.
Maxwell was a 'Jewish' millionaire and spy for Israel and had links to organised crime in Eastern Europe.
Robert Maxwell was one of Israel's super-spys, who received a state funeral in Israel. It was attended by former Israeli PMs and an Israeli former President who praised him. Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, and then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir stated: “He has done more for Israel than can today be said."
Yet Israel had Mossad agents murder Mr. Maxwell because he demanded Israel help him prop up his failing businesses OR he would expose his knowledge of Israeli secrets, crimes, treacherous activities, spy scandals, spyware, infiltration in world governments.

Now Jeffry Epstein is just one more high-profile, paedophile Jewish criminal spy. Either he has had a Kit Marlowe type of feigned death followed by a clandestine exile to somewhere, presumably Israel. Or Epstein has been murdered to silence him, as he threatened to do a Samson and bring down the whole temple of Israeli-Jewish crime and all its wicked acts IF he didn't get protection.

These latter-day events help explain why accused SS didn't manage "to ensure the truth would be heard" then, and why it still cannot be openly discussed today.
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^i can't believe you spent hours on this huge exposition (complete with completely random references to Epstein and current events and Israel, lol). What was the point? "i didn't know about any gassing" is a weak defense that they start with, and is only downgraded to "i knew about it but wasn't involved" and finally "i was just following orders" when there's too much other evidence against them

but why do these SS men have less to contribute to revisionism than random spergs on the Internet? They should have had actual detailed, personal knowledge about what actually happened to these millions of Jews that were apparently transited to these camps and "resettled in the East" as was stated by the Nazis during the war. yet no one ever used THAT as a defense because its bullshit. thats the one single fact that you all keep trying to distract form completely and destroys all the revisionist narratives. its all politics, and you're acting as the defense attorney of all these nazis, alive and dead, in a case where the defense attorney contradicts the statements of his own clients. hilarious

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papasha wrote:
Sun Aug 11, 2019 2:49 pm
^i can't believe you spent hours on this huge exposition (complete with completely random references to Epstein and current events and Israel, lol). What was the point? "i didn't know about any gassing" is a weak defense that they start with, and is only downgraded to "i knew about it but wasn't involved" and finally "i was just following orders" when there's too much other evidence against them

but why do these SS men have less to contribute to revisionism than random spergs on the Internet? They should have had actual detailed, personal knowledge about what actually happened to these millions of Jews that were apparently transited to these camps and "resettled in the East" as was stated by the Nazis during the war. yet no one ever used THAT as a defense because its bullshit. thats the one single fact that you all keep trying to distract form completely and destroys all the revisionist narratives. its all politics, and you're acting as the defense attorney of all these nazis, alive and dead, in a case where the defense attorney contradicts the statements of his own clients. hilarious
Well done if you read it all. :)

But I doubt you did, as you ignored the irrefutable, verifiable facts and appear to think that providing such is an exercise in futility. Which I suspect reveals YOUR approach to this. I.e. that you have an approach that isn't interested in facts as you have a belief-system that is impervious to them.

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Revealing also that you couldn't see the point of those irrefutable facts.
It was that even with high-profile, super-spy, key-Zionist Jews like Maxwell and Epstein, World Jewry will kill you and silence you if you are perceived as a threat to the tribe and its deceitful, self-serving narratives.

Even if you served the cause in ways that makes you an associate of Israeli Presidents, Israeli Prime-ministers, Israeli Chief Rabbis, Israeli Heads of Intelligence, etc., your life isn't secure, if you don't comply with their machinations.
Comply and you still die, but they won't go after your wife and kids.
So if this is what happens to top, serving, high-profile, pro-Israeli Jews, what chance did SS men and Third Reich officials have?
That answers the question in the title of this topic-thread.

Errr... How could you not get that?

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As for: “and finally "i was just following orders" when there's too much other evidence against them”.
Ha ha. :lol: What a jester you are Goody.
What evidence?
Other people's testimony?
That's all there is.
And none of it stacks up when you look at it critically.

Ah, there's the rub,(as Kit Marlowe wrote).
You and the millions of gullible people like you are as yet unable to look at it all critically.

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What I also find so interesting with your reply is that it is indicative of so many people like yourself who seem unable to take into consideration that during WW2 there was a war going on.

Many Jews now think the whole of WW2 revolved around them.
That's the story they tell each other. And that's increasingly the conditioning they inflict upon their children. And — since the rise of the television age — that has now become the narrative they have succesfully foisted upon the rest of humanity.
Maybe that's perhaps because many Jews instinctively know that it was influential Jews who wanted it, pimped for it, caused it, funded it, and wreaked vengeance for it after it was over and ever since.

Admit it, many Jews are still fighting the rest of humanity because they delusionally think they are forever in an existential crisis. Their conditioning since childhood into that mindset is based heavily on this pseudo-history of unprovable death-camp gas-chambers and mythological 6 million victims of mass-murder.

That mindset of perpetual victim facing perennial existential annihilation based upon a bogus history, becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Can you understand THAT?

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HERE IS YOUR NEW CHALLENGE TO PROVE YOU AREN'T A HASBARA TROLL

Q1. How many Chinese died during WW2? Do you know?
Give me your best, most accurate answer.

Q2. Then tell me how and where they died. Can you do that?

Q3. If not, WHY NOT?
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Our heart's are supposed to bleed for the SS according to Been There?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Hitler's willing defenders in one, Papasha.

Or should that be Goody, according to the resident excuse merchant.
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Can Papasha answer the questions put to him? Or not?

Can Umeroffen maybe answer them for him?

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Here is another test.

Who wrote this and bravely published it in a booklet in Germany?
I was in Auschwitz from January to December 1944. After the war I heard about the alleged mass murders of Jews and I was quite taken aback. Despite all the testimony submitted and all the reports in the media, I know such atrocities were never committed. I have said so repeatedly, everywhere and at all times, but it has always been useless for no one has wanted to believe me. The evidence, I am told, is unequivocal and confirmed without contradiction.

I never made a secret of my having been at Auschwitz. When asked about the destruction of Jews, I answered that I knew nothing about that. I simply marvelled at how quickly the populace was willing to accept and believe the stories about these mass gassings, without any apparent resistance.”
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The answer to the question as to why didn't the Nazis ensure the truth would be heard is because the Victors, the Allies, won the war and made sure that the truth WOULDN'T be heard.

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