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Huntinger wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:34 pm
Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:19 pm
As many times as it takes.
Thanks that would be the median point between eternity and infinity.
There is simply no sense in playing patty-cake with it.

There is no debate when one side can lie and dodge with impunity.

Let's remind everyone of some of its recent allegations:

Nessie:
The GPR shows large pits that extend under the memorial, just where witnesses claim the mass graves had originally been...

Fact is that GPR has identified 5 areas dug as pits in the part of the camp that witnesses state were where the main mass graves were located.

Nessie:
Fact is C S-C has found 10 pits including one that is 26m x 17m x least four metres deep, with a ramp at one end and a vertical edge at the other.

How many Nessie?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.


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Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:40 pm
Huntinger wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:34 pm
Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 4:19 pm
As many times as it takes.
Thanks that would be the median point between eternity and infinity.
There is simply no sense in playing patty-cake with it.

There is no debate when one side can lie and dodge with impunity.
It has no new arguments from 2014. He thinks if you push a wick into deceased grannies head there will be no more need for candles when the power goes out. Grandad can be drained of blood and used to fuel the tractor and help sow the corn in his afterlife. All of the stupid Indians on the Ganges are wasting all of that wood when they only need a firestarter and a match. It only trusts the S Colls stuff due to the fact she is biased and unprofessional. Her data is like shapes in the cloud, you can make any story you wish out of it.


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Huntinger:
It only trusts the S Colls stuff due to the fact she is biased and unprofessional. Her data is like shapes in the cloud, you can make any story you wish out of it.
Exactly.


Nessie:
The reason why I have not "analysed" the report (thesis/dissertation), is because - I have no qualifications in forensics or archaeology.
But it alleges this:


Nessie:
A gpr survey was conducted... it revealed the existence of a number of pits across the site...… Fact is C S-C has found 10 pits including one that is 26m x 17m x least four metres deep... Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located... The GPR shows large pits that extend under the memorial...

As for trash pits, they have been found as well.

They are not phantom trash pits.

Yes TII had garbage and latrine pits.

Let's remind everyone what CSC has said:
We’ve also identified a number of pits at the site. Again, all these pits have been mapped
So the questions are extremely simple, and their is no reason for Nessie to not answer them:

Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits were dug at Treblinka II which were utilized as mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?


Has it ever been proven, beyond a reasonable doubt, that pits deeper than 3.5 meters currently exist at Treblinka II - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes. - then: How many?

Of that number, how many can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, currently contain human remains?
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Norm wrote:
Mon Dec 16, 2019 6:02 pm
So the questions are extremely simple, and their is no reason for Nessie to not answer them:
It is easier to ignore and go onto evidencing than to face the hard reality of the scam the C-SC attempted to con the world with.
Of course there is no hurry, people have been waiting many Moon for the poster to answer questions coherently, without the normal obtuse babbling. It waffles on about evidencing but fails to give any of its own; one would find that somewhat bizarre. It is possible that there is no evidence so it is easier to look back into those clouds over Poland and see the phantoms of Juden rising towards Yahweh on the pyre flames of glory,the wings of fire on a pillar of smoke.

This is where the reality of the one with the pectoral fins lay.
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Turnagain
Do you have any proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there are the cremains of ~850,000 victims at Treblinka? Get help and remember...

No cremains, no graves, no holyhoax. Finito. End of story.
Nessie:
Yes I have proof, in the form of witness, documentary and physical evidence.
Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; at least one extant grave has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - which currently contains scientifically verified human remains that were buried during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's answer: Yes.

When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "using the scientific method" - is that the same method that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "prove" - do you mean prove with the same standard of proof that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

Can you, with the utmost certainty and using the scientific method prove that Treblinka II is not the burial site of at least 813,000 jews - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: No as it does contain at least that number of remains


Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes.

The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

Nessie:

There are buried cremains.

The witnesses at the camps all stated that the bodies were exhumed, cremated and reburied.

The evidence is at the camps.

I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

I have criminal investigatory, legal and court experience.

I do have proof mass graves were dug at TII and the cremated remains are still there.

Archaeological and forensic studies at the camp have found areas of buried cremated remains.

The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them.

Once the bodies had been cremated they were dumped back into pits.

The contents of the pits are still at the camps.

CS-C said they have found graves containing remains.

The archaeological work done has been scrutinised, cited and accepted by other archaeologists.

All of those studies found large areas of cremated remains buried in the ground.

I produce forensic, archaeological evidence.

I have accepted the burden of proof.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Turnagain
Do you have any proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there are the cremains of ~850,000 victims at Treblinka?
Nessie:
Yes I have proof, in the form of witness, documentary and physical evidence.
Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; at least one extant grave has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - which currently contains scientifically verified human remains that were buried during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "using the scientific method" - is that the same method that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "prove" - do you mean prove with the same standard of proof that you use to claim - with the utmost certainty - that 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

Can you, with the utmost certainty and using the scientific method prove that Treblinka II is not the burial site of at least 813,000 jews - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: No as it does contain at least that number of remains


Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of numerous discernable / measurable extant mass graves within the boundaries of each of the Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II camps - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed scientifically verified human remains; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

The MAXIMUM number of the 11 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves of Treblinka II identified by The N.A.F.H. that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 19 people; is no less than __?__.

Nessie's single numeric answer: 11

Nessie:

There are buried cremains.

The witnesses at the camps all stated that the bodies were exhumed, cremated and reburied.

The evidence is at the camps.

I have always said there is proof of mass graves.

I have criminal investigatory, legal and court experience.

I do have proof mass graves were dug at TII and the cremated remains are still there.

Archaeological and forensic studies at the camp have found areas of buried cremated remains.

The gpr at TII by Staffs Uni shows that the original graves were not emptied and refilled without disturbing them.

Once the bodies had been cremated they were dumped back into pits.

The contents of the pits are still at the camps.

CS-C said they have found graves containing remains.

Haimi found large areas of cremains mixed into the soil.

The archaeological work done has been scrutinised, cited and accepted by other archaeologists.

All of those studies found large areas of cremated remains buried in the ground.

I produce forensic, archaeological evidence.

I have accepted the burden of proof.
Here are 13 of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels as "possible grave sites"):

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And here are 12 of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels as "probable burial / cremation pits"):

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And here are the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II - as alleged by the charlatan Caroline Sturdy Colls (which she labels in various ways):

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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Norm wrote:
Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; at least one extant grave has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - which currently contains scientifically verified human remains that were buried during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes
I'm unclear on why you're posting this, Norm. I assume that those are answers given by Nessie in the past but has he ever actually presented any proof that would stand up in an unbiased court? I don't know of anyone who has ever shown any verified scientific proof of the claims made for Treblinka or any of the other AR camps.

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Turnagain wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:45 pm
I'm unclear on why you're posting this, Norm. I assume that those are answers given by Nessie in the past but has he ever actually presented any proof that would stand up in an unbiased court? I don't know of anyone who has ever shown any verified scientific proof of the claims made for Treblinka or any of the other AR camps.
I think I can hear it swimming or hovering; It is attracted to this stuff (Norms Post) like the blow flies in summer are attracted to horse dung. I wonder how much Coles was paid to produce this scam. After reading about the other forgeries produced by the HC group at Klowns resulting in them being kicked out of ARC, then maintaining a fake ARC website to continue pedaling their crap it would not be beyond them to "pay" C-SC to muddy the situation some more. As usual, no evidence but enough crumbs to suggest there may be a feed; enough if, buts, maybes, coulda happened to stop people critically thinking about the evidence we have shown that there are no mass graves. There is not the slightest attempt by this charlatan to suggest where the real graves of typhus victims might be.

It takes a lot of money to maintain this hoax, I guess C-SC got a small part of it.


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Turnagain wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:45 pm
Norm wrote:
Is it known - with the utmost certainty - that; at least one extant grave has actually been located / proven to exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - which currently contains scientifically verified human remains that were buried during the period of time in which the Germans are said to have administered the camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes

When you say "with the utmost certainty" - is that the same level of certainty that you use to claim 11 extant "huge mass graves" have been located / proven to exist - via the scientific method - within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Nessie's - Yes. - or - No. - answer: Yes
I'm unclear on why you're posting this, Norm. I assume that those are answers given by Nessie in the past but has he ever actually presented any proof that would stand up in an unbiased court? I don't know of anyone who has ever shown any verified scientific proof of the claims made for Treblinka or any of the other AR camps.
Oh, those are Nessie's answers for sure - and it knew it. That is why it so cravenly refused to answer my questions.

And no, nobody has ever proven jack squat about the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II. (Or Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Ponary.) That is why the $15,000.00 reward for the Treblinka part of THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE goes unclaimed.

Nessie is a pathetic, pathological liar for making the allegations it does, like this recent one here:
Turnagain:

Do you have any proof beyond any reasonable doubt that there are the cremains of ~850,000 victims at Treblinka?

Nessie:

Yes I have proof, in the form of witness, documentary and physical evidence.
To allege that is has proof "beyond any reasonable doubt" is simply insane. But everyone knows just how insane RM is.

But that is why RM needs to post anonymously, so it can spew its lies and "magically disappearing jew theory" without any repercussions. It is a cowardly cult member in propaganda mode. But in reality, it is only trying to propagandize itself - because it NEEDS to deceive itself on this issue.

RM simply cannot accept, much less acknowledge the truth.

Its cowardice is unfathomable.
In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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Huntinger:
I think I can hear it swimming or hovering; It is attracted to this stuff (Norms Post) like the blow flies in summer are attracted to horse dung. I wonder how much Coles was paid to produce this scam. After reading about the other forgeries produced by the HC group at Klowns resulting in them being kicked out of ARC, then maintaining a fake ARC website to continue pedaling their crap it would not be beyond them to "pay" C-SC to muddy the situation some more. As usual, no evidence but enough crumbs to suggest there may be a feed; enough if, buts, maybes, coulda happened to stop people critically thinking about the evidence we have shown that there are no mass graves. There is not the slightest attempt by this charlatan to suggest where the real graves of typhus victims might be.

It takes a lot of money to maintain this hoax, I guess C-SC got a small part of it.


And don't forget Roberto Muehlenkamp's sockpuppet "The Warden" on Codoh.

There is nothing these freaks won't do push their agenda.
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In some circumstances it can be rationally assumed that if a certain event had occurred, evidence of it could be easily discovered by qualified investigators. In such circumstances it is perfectly reasonable to take the absence of evidence of its occurrence as proof of its non-occurrence.
Such is the case for the fraudulently alleged holocaust mass graves: No graves = No holocaust - simple as that.

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