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Re: Forensic Psychiatry and the "Holocaust Syndrome"

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Scott this is what comes of a thread with a blaring lie in its title.

There is no such thing as 'forensic psychiatry.' There's nothing forensic which means scientific about snake oil.


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Freya wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:20 pm
Scott this is what comes of a thread with a blaring lie in its title.

There is no such thing as 'forensic psychiatry.' There's nothing forensic which means scientific about snake oil.
Freya you will need to give valid reasons why you think it is a lie. I personally think psychiatry is bogus to some extent though psychology is classed as a true science, especially behavioural psychology. Perhaps it could have been worded as "the psychology of the holocaust syndrome".
One needs to look at the possible "thread intention" which was postulated by Friedrich.
he says:
Holocaust-belief should be seen as a serious mental disorder rather than merely as an historical dispute about events that may or may not have happened. The war is over and the key events are behind us but the mental disorder continues.
One should not just rely on the title alone which is why the thread intention should be clearly stated to avoid confusion.
Friedrich thinks all holohoaxers have mental disorders and the hoaxers think that the revisionists have mental disorders.
Why is this? Why the dichotomy. From what I gather "revisionists" by definition look at the past with a fresh look as History is not clear cut. Two sides of a conflict often have very different "Histories" or versions of events: a hero of one side is a traitor from another perspective. It also comes down to the nature of "reality", what is real. It is commonly accepted that all people know are their own perceptions which are often clouded; this is a part of humanity. There is a truth perhaps but we cannot see it. The hoaxers as I perceive it are not giving information or discussing from a perspective of truth or rationality, but are just expressing their conditioning; they cannot imagine the world as being any other way.
The scenario is the same as in the book 1984 where the inhabitants were conditioned to hate "Emmanual Goldstein" and give their daily two minutes of loathing. In the case of the National Socialists and Adolf it is now 74 years. They come on here and other forums to give the mandatory 2 minute hate session. At least Orwell got this one right. The real reason why this went down hill was due to two people thinking they could use any thread to continue their inane babbling without consideration for either the forum or other users.
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I am dealing with a minor family crisis tonight but I will respond tomorrow.

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Forensic is from the Latin forensis, which means "of the forum."

An archaic version of "forensics" means to craft an argument for public debate in a forum, or for the so-called "marketplace of ideas."

In modern usage forensic means "of the court," and when the word is used it normally pertains to forensic science, or science and technology as applied to the law, law enforcement, and legal investigation. That is the usual context.

I would agree that "forensic psychiatry" is not an exact science, but that does not negate those arguments.

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Freya wrote:
Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:26 pm
I am dealing with a minor family crisis tonight but I will respond tomorrow.
OK, hope the minor crisis does not become major. Look forward to your continued discussion. I am most interested in why each side thinks the other side is "looney". The dichotomy is mainly theirs due to the word "denier" as though there is a denial of reality, instead of revising history. Of course it is tempting to call them "hoaxers" as frankly most of them are, though not all. It comes down to the following from their perspective.
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Forensic is from the Latin forensis, which means "of the forum."

An archaic version of "forensics" means to craft an argument for public debate in a forum, or for the so-called "marketplace of ideas."

In modern usage forensic means "of the court," and when the word is used it normally pertains to forensic science, or science and technology as applied to the law, law enforcement, and legal investigation. That is the usual context.

I would agree that "forensic psychiatry" is not an exact science, but that does not negate those arguments.

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Thank you Scott for that very interesting summation.

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What a minute, what the hell happened?


I was away for a while, so, um... can someone resume their arguments against me?
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun, the current GIF in your signature is completely unsuitable for the Holocaust forum. Please delete it or do not
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Depth Check wrote:
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun, the current GIF in your signature is completely unsuitable for the Holocaust forum. Please delete it or do not
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DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:43 am
What a minute, what the hell happened?
I was away for a while, so, um... can someone resume their arguments against me?
I know it is hard to accept and as strange as it may be, this thread or this forum is not about you. From what I can see you had no arguments just a pile of convoluted thoughts with no coherence, let alone any substance. I am patiently waiting for Freya to help explain why both sides, the deniers and the hoaxers think each other is "totally bonkers"? Is there any rationale to this or in reality is it just a point of derision, to undermine the potential arguments of the opposition. Insanity of course is a legal term with little reference to it in the DSM; There's no "insane" diagnosis listed in the DSM.
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Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.
The point of this is from which perspective to speak of the matter, legal or psychological. I suspect there is no basis at all for the claim and just used as a "strawman" to derogate from the real issues. This is what one of our Siberian Mountain "trolls" constantly tries to do, claim personality flaws in lieu of the arguments. "You must be nuts because you do not agree with me": it has the signature Deniers are a few bricks short of a load.. One of the rock trolls who resides in the silly Wilderness has this to say "Anyone who starts with the Holocaust didn’t happen is operating with a severe mental deficit." .


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Huntinger wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:50 pm
DabbingIsSoMuchFun wrote:
Mon Jan 21, 2019 10:43 am
What a minute, what the hell happened?
I was away for a while, so, um... can someone resume their arguments against me?
I know it is hard to accept and as strange as it may be, this thread or this forum is not about you. From what I can see you had no arguments just a pile of convoluted thoughts with no coherence, let alone any substance. I am patiently waiting for Freya to help explain why both sides, the deniers and the hoaxers think each other is "totally bonkers"? Is there any rationale to this or in reality is it just a point of derision, to undermine the potential arguments of the opposition. Insanity of course is a legal term with little reference to it in the DSM; There's no "insane" diagnosis listed in the DSM.
From Law.com
Insanity. n. mental illness of such a severe nature that a person cannot distinguish fantasy from reality, cannot conduct her/his affairs due to psychosis, or is subject to uncontrollable impulsive behavior.
The point of this is from which perspective to speak of the matter, legal or psychological. I suspect there is no basis at all for the claim and just used as a "strawman" to derogate from the real issues. This is what one of our Siberian Mountain "trolls" constantly tries to do, claim personality flaws in lieu of the arguments. "You must be nuts because you do not agree with me": it has the signature Deniers are a few bricks short of a load.. One of the rock trolls who resides in the silly Wilderness has this to say "Anyone who starts with the Holocaust didn’t happen is operating with a severe mental deficit." .


Well, I got into this thread because someone had quoted me there, so, well, goodbye, I guess...
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