Michael Shermer on the Holocaust's "weakest link"

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Michael Shermer on the Holocaust's "weakest link"

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Maybe [David] Cole's right. I think the whole gas chamber story is probably, in terms of physical evidence, the weakest link in the whole story. To me, it doesn't matter whether the gas chamber story is completely true or not. Maybe it could be modified, for all I know.


- Prof. Michael Shermer, February 23, 1995, in a recorded interview conducted by graduate student Daniel Berman. - http://codoh.com/library/document/620#ftnref74
That quote, which is "transcribed directly from audiotape," features in an article written by David Cole in 2004, although it's credited to Bradley Smith and "Christopher Cole".

More Shermerisms on the H.'s "weakest link" a bit later....
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Shermer gives a lecture where even the title — before he has said a single word — demonstrates he starts from an ‘unscientific’ position.

Don’t any of these klowns understand the empirical paradigm of falsifiability? Or the need to avoid confirmation bias?

Presumably he does but he gets shekels from Jewish donors for this lame, lightweight, pseudo-scientific rhetoric.

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The study of history is by the historical method. Evidence is gathered from witnesses, documents, contemporary photos/film, physical evidence, archaeology and forensics and a conclusion is determined by what is evidenced to have taken place.

Denial comes up with "empirical paradigms" so as to avoid using the historical method and to try to justify believing in what is not evidenced to have happened. That denial is not evidence based is because of confirmation bias. Deniers start from wanting there to have been no mass gassings. Then they openly admit they are not interested in finding out what did happen instead.

There is far more physical evidence that any denier will admit. That the Nazis actively tried to destroy physical evidence is part of the evidence that they had committed a crime.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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I hear this line alot Nessie, that there is alot of evidence.

Can you offer one piece and explain why it is uncontrovertible evidence?

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MrOlonzo wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm
I hear this line alot Nessie, that there is alot of evidence.

Can you offer one piece and explain why it is uncontrovertible evidence?
If you can get this out of him or one other hoaxer or devotee then a major milestone would have been reached.
They constantly use this term or phrase but can only ask questions such as 'where did they go'; when the possible evidence is given it is ignored.


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MrOlonzo wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm
I hear this line alot Nessie, that there is alot of evidence.

Can you offer one piece and explain why it is uncontrovertible evidence?
The entire Holocaust cannot be evidenced by one single piece of evidence. That is like asking for one piece of evidence the Battle of Waterloo happened.

Furthermore, unlike Waterloo, there was a huge effort to try and hide and cover up what happened regarding gassings and mass shootings. The purpose built gas chambers at the AR camps were razed to the ground and buried. The repurposed gas chambers at A-B were blown up or one was converted into an air raid shelter. The gas chambers that were used for T4 were left, but deniers do not normally deny those gassings.

As for the mass graves and bodies, there was a huge action to cremate them, so that there could be no body count, identification and cause of death established. The large areas of cremated remains can only be found at very specific camps, which are also the AR camps which the Nazis went to great efforts to try and wipe out and hide.

There is a lot of evidence of the construction of gas chambers for a special action regarding Jewish people, inside the A-B kremas, found in documents listed here;

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ce-on.html

That corroborates witness claims of mass gassings inside those kremas, the witnesses are listed here;

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3196

We know numbers of people transported to A-B and those who were registered to work, a list of some is here;

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/glaser.htm

That leaves hundreds of thousands of Jews for whom the documentary trail of their existence ends on arrival at the camp. Until deniers can evidence that those people also left A-B and were transported to somewhere else and they were fed, clothed and accommodated until they were liberated, I have no reason to believe that version of events.
Consistency and standards in evidencing viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2721#p87772
My actual argument viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2834

Scott - On a side note, this forum is turning into a joke with the vicious attacks--and completely unnecessary vitriol--that everybody is making upon each other.

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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 am
That leaves hundreds of thousands of Jews for whom the documentary trail of their existence ends on arrival at the camp. Until deniers can evidence that those people also left A-B and were transported to somewhere else and they were fed, clothed and accommodated until they were liberated, I have no reason to believe that version of events.
Jude what has this got to do with Michael Shermers particular input? What you said has been said a thousand or so times elsewhere on every other trolling thread you participate and corrupt.


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Nessie wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 am
MrOlonzo wrote:
Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm
I hear this line alot Nessie, that there is alot of evidence.

Can you offer one piece and explain why it is uncontrovertible evidence?
The entire Holocaust cannot be evidenced by one single piece of evidence. That is like asking for one piece of evidence the Battle of Waterloo happened.

Furthermore, unlike Waterloo, there was a huge effort to try and hide and cover up what happened regarding gassings and mass shootings. The purpose built gas chambers at the AR camps were razed to the ground and buried. The repurposed gas chambers at A-B were blown up or one was converted into an air raid shelter. The gas chambers that were used for T4 were left, but deniers do not normally deny those gassings.

As for the mass graves and bodies, there was a huge action to cremate them, so that there could be no body count, identification and cause of death established. The large areas of cremated remains can only be found at very specific camps, which are also the AR camps which the Nazis went to great efforts to try and wipe out and hide.

There is a lot of evidence of the construction of gas chambers for a special action regarding Jewish people, inside the A-B kremas, found in documents listed here;

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... ce-on.html

That corroborates witness claims of mass gassings inside those kremas, the witnesses are listed here;

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=3196

We know numbers of people transported to A-B and those who were registered to work, a list of some is here;

http://www.deathcamps.org/occupation/glaser.htm

That leaves hundreds of thousands of Jews for whom the documentary trail of their existence ends on arrival at the camp. Until deniers can evidence that those people also left A-B and were transported to somewhere else and they were fed, clothed and accommodated until they were liberated, I have no reason to believe that version of events.
This line is fascinating. You actually think that one cannot produce a single piece of evidence for the existence of the battle of Waterloo?

Here's one, both sides agree, without either side having been tortured.

Here's another, artifacts found on the battlefield that gave no place there except that of war fighting.

Regarding the Holocaust, there's no evidence of any attempt to hide. And converting buildings into air raid shelters shows only that.

In fact the weight of evidence shows that the transit camps and work camps were exactly that.

The construction of gas chambers was indeed a special action for Jews, to save their lives. As evidenced by the thousands of medical interventions carried out.

You seem to forget that this was war time. Therefore the Jews who arrived at camp had no incentive to freely give their names later upon the arrival of the Soviets or to the Allies.

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Huntinger wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:38 am
Nessie wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:36 am
That leaves hundreds of thousands of Jews for whom the documentary trail of their existence ends on arrival at the camp. Until deniers can evidence that those people also left A-B and were transported to somewhere else and they were fed, clothed and accommodated until they were liberated, I have no reason to believe that version of events.
Jude what has this got to do with Michael Shermers particular input? What you said has been said a thousand or so times elsewhere on every other trolling thread you participate and corrupt.
It's obvious that anything he doesn't answer is because he cannot.
He will however stick to his line regarding those things he will answer.

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MrOlonzo wrote:
Sun May 24, 2020 9:58 am
It's obvious that anything he doesn't answer is because he cannot.
He will however stick to his line regarding those things he will answer.
This is correct as this is his spiel of nothingness, which any intelligent person would realize. The poster Nessie is doing more to enhance the revisionist position than anyone else on the planet. Think of Nessie as the Donald Trump of hoaxers, everyone will follow the opposite, in our case look closer at Revisionism.


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