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You forget that in 1914 Germany had invaded neighbouring countries including one which the UK had guaranteed. So when it happened again only 25 years later it was clear to the UK and others action was needed to ensure it would not happen again. Hence instead of not invading Germany and harsh peace conditions, Germany was invaded and the peace conditions afterwards made far less harsh.

The good news is that Germany is highly unlikely to invade its neighbours ever again.
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Nessie wrote:The good news is that Germany is highly unlikely to invade its neighbours ever again.
I don't know about that, if populations changes of the past 30 years continue, this time next century the Islamic State of Germany and France (ISGF) will be invading Russia.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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If anyone deserved the Nobel Peace Prize, it was Adolf Hitler. Hitler did not want war. World War II was forced on Germany. Poland was encouraged to attack Germany by the promises of British Ambassador Sir Howard William Kennard and French Ambassador Leon Noel. They promised unconditionally that England and France would come to Poland’s immediate aid should she need it in case of war with Germany; therefore, no matter what Poland did to provoke Germany’s attack, Poland had an assurance from England and France. With this guarantee, Poland began acting ruthlessly.
In addition, Kennard and Noel flattered Poland into thinking she was a great power. As the Chinese proverb says, “You can flatter a man to jump off the roof.”
They sabotaged the efforts of those Polish leaders who wanted a policy of friendship with Germany.1

Poland delivered the first blow, and Hitler announced: “Since dawn today, we are shooting back,” when he spoke to the Reichstag on September 1, 1939.
“Shooting back” is not the statement of an aggressor.2

When Hitler attacked, Donald Day said that Poland got exactly what she deserved.
None of Poland’s immediate neighbours felt sorry for her. Poland had conducted a policy of terror. Ethnic Germans living on German soil that had been given to Poland at the end of World War I by the Versailles Peace Treaty had been so mistreated that 2 million left the area for Germany and elsewhere.3 They were driven from what had been their homeland long before World War I.

Leon Degrelle, a young Belgian political leader in the 1930s, and who later joined Hitler’s hardest fighting unit, the Waffen SS, with over 400,000 other non-German European volunteers, said:
“Of all the crimes of World War II, one never hears about the wholesale massacres that occurred in Poland just before the war. Thousands of German men, women and children were massacred in the most horrendous fashion by press-enraged mobs. Hitler decided to halt the slaughter and he rushed to the rescue.”4 Young German boys, when captured by the Poles, were castrated.5
William Joyce, nicknamed Lord Haw Haw by British propaganda, became a German citizen and took up for the German cause. He described the conditions of the Germans who were living in Poland because of the Versailles Treaty:
German men and women were hunted like wild beasts through the streets of Bromberg. When they were caught, they were mutilated and torn to pieces by the Polish mob. . . . Every day the butchery increased... [T]housands of Germans fled from their homes in Poland with nothing more than the clothes that they wore. Moreover, there was no doubt that the Polish army was making plans for the massacre of Danzig. . . . On the nights of August 25 to August 31 inclusive, there occurred, besides innumerable attacks on civilians of German blood, forty-four perfectly authenticated acts of armed violence against German official persons and property. These incidents took place either on the border or inside German territory. On the night of [August 31], a band of Polish desperadoes actually occupied the German Broad casting Station at Gleiwitz. Now it was clear that unless German troops marched at once, not a man, woman or child of German blood within the Polish territory could reasonably expect to avoid persecution and slaughter.6
Due to Poland’s atrocious acts against the German people, Hitler declared to British Ambassador Sir Nevile Henderson on August 25, 1939:
“Poland’s provocations have become intolerable.”7

So Poland delivered the first blow, not Germany.
What fair-minded man, if he knew the true facts involved in the Polish situation, could blame Hitler for his retaliatory attack on Poland? ...But Hitler did not even want to do what he had to do. No sooner than Hitler began protecting the German people inside Poland, he was ready to stop all hostilities and begin peace negotiations.
Prince Sturdza narrates:
Only hours after the outbreak of hostilities between Germany and Poland, Mussolini, renewing his efforts for peace, proposed to all the interested powers an immediate suspension of hostilities and the immediate convocation of a conference between the great powers, in which Poland would also participate. Mussolini’s proposals were, without any delay, accepted by all governments concerned except Great Britain.8
Before war broke out Britain’s ambassador to Berlin, Sir Nevil Henderson, on August 30, 1939, said, in his final report of Germany’s proposed basis for negotiations:
“Those proposals are in general not too unreasonable.”

Even Pierre and Renee Gosset, in their rabid anti-German book Hitler, declare:
“It was a proposal of extreme moderation. It was in fact an offer that no Allied statesman could have rejected in good faith.”9

http://justice4germans.com/peace-prize/

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1. Day, Donald, Onward Christian Soldiers, pp.68-9. Donald Day was The Chicago Tribune’s only correspondent in northeastern Europe before and during World War II.

2. McLaughlin, Michael, For Those Who Cannot Speak, p.9.

3. Onward Christian Soldiers, p.55.

4. The Journal of Historical Review, winter 1982, pp.454-5.

5. Fish, Hamilton, FDR: The Other Side of the Coin, p.86.

6. Twilight Over England, pp.125-6.

7. The Suicide of Europe (memoirs of Prince Michel Sturdza, former foreign minister of Romania), p.1.

8. Ibid., p.145.

9. Ibid., p.11.
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theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:
Nessie wrote:The good news is that Germany is highly unlikely to invade its neighbours ever again.
I don't know about that, if populations changes of the past 30 years continue, this time next century the Islamic State of Germany and France (ISGF) will be invading Russia.
Gross exaggeration.
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Nessie wrote:
theblackrabbitofinlé wrote:
Nessie wrote:The good news is that Germany is highly unlikely to invade its neighbours ever again.
I don't know about that, if populations changes of the past 30 years continue, this time next century the Islamic State of Germany and France (ISGF) will be invading Russia.
Gross exaggeration.
Sure, sure. Like it was a "gross exaggeration" to claim during the '70s that in the early 21st century, native Brits would be a minority in Greater London.
We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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Was it a gross exaggeration as you claim? London has always had large minority populations.
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Nessie wrote:Was it a gross exaggeration as you claim? London has always had large minority populations.
Enoch Powell made some predictions about population statistics in his famous 1968 speech:
In 15 or 20 years, on present trends, there will be in this country three and a half million Commonwealth immigrants and their descendants. That is not my figure. That is the official figure given to parliament by the spokesman of the Registrar General's Office.

There is no comparable official figure for the year 2000, but it must be in the region of five to seven million, approximately one-tenth of the whole population, and approaching that of Greater London. Of course, it will not be evenly distributed from Margate to Aberystwyth and from Penzance to Aberdeen. Whole areas, towns and parts of towns across England will be occupied by sections of the immigrant and immigrant-descended population.

His opponents claimed his figures were gross exaggerations
Officials and journalists denounced Powell’s estimates as hysterical exaggerations. David Ennels of the Home Office minister called them “sheer fantasy.” Two demographers assured Britain that what Powell was predicting “won’t happen.” Richard Crossman, a Labour minister, called his predictions “untrue, alarmist, and totally irresponsible.” Yet Crossman confided to his diary that he pressured government statisticians to doctor the numbers so as to undercut Powell’s projections. Even Powell’s fellow Tories preferred to pretend that what would surely happen unless the Parliament acted would not happen.

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We just wish to point out to the court that is not a signed sworn statement of Dr. Bender but merely a translation of an alleged or purported statement of Dr. Bender, the original of which, like many other things, is not to be found today.
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Present policies on immigration show a shift away from the more welcoming policies of the past. Do you seriously thing any government will allow so many Muslim immigrants so as they become the majority?

Powell was concerned about enclaves forming and so a lack of proper integration.
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Berlin,
September 1, 1939 — 12:45 p.m


Telegram to the Italian Minister President, Benito Mussolini.

The latest attempt by Britain at mediation has also failed. I had once more declared myself ready to solve the problem between Germany and Poland by way of negotiations. For two whole days I have waited in vain for a Polish negotiator.
Instead:
1) Polish general mobilisation has been declared,
and
2) a series of further intolerable acts of terrorism have been committed.

Last night alone there were fourteen more cases of frontier violation, three of which were very serious. In these circumstances, after having repeatedly warned Poland against continuing such acts, I have now decided to answer force with force. Come what may, I will carry through this struggle with all the fanaticism of which I and the German people are capable.

I thank you, Duce, for all your efforts. I thank you in particular also for your mediation.
But from the start I was sceptical about these attempts, because the Polish Government, if they had had even the slightest intention of solving the matter amicably, could have done so at anytime. But they refused even to embark on any true understanding which, as things stood, would have involved concessions on their part.
For, after all, it was not Germany who took away something from Poland, but Poland from Germany; and, conversely, it was not the Poles in Germany who were maltreated, but the Germans in Poland.

For this reason, Duce, I did not want to expose you to the danger of assuming the role of mediator which, in view of the Polish Government's intransigent attitude, would in all probability have been in vain.

Come what may, National Socialist Germany will ensure, in one way or another, that that state of peace and calm shall also come to her eastern frontier which we happily enjoy on all our other frontiers.

Adolf Hitler
Pg.485-486. Document No. 504. (No.440)
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Call for release of documents on the murder of Rudolf Hess

By ROSEMARY PENNINGTON · SEPTEMBER 26, 2017

H&D‘s ASSISTANT EDITOR Peter Rushton addressed a rally in Berlin on Saturday 19th August, calling for the release of official British documents reporting on the death of Rudolf Hess, thirty years ago this week.

More than 1,000 demonstrators marched in the Spandau district of Berlin, close to the site of the infamous prison where Hess was incarcerated until his death aged 93 in 1987. By then he had been in Allied prisons since 1941, when he flew to Scotland in an effort to negotiate peace between Britain and Germany.

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Officially this death was recorded as a suicide: despite Hess’s advanced age and physical infirmity, he was ruled to have hanged himself from a window latch with an electrical cord. His family commissioned independent medical advice which drew attention to evidence that Hess had been murdered. (British historian David Irving has since revealed a conversation with the Berlin prosecutor Detlev Mehis, who admitted that the murderer was U.S. serviceman Tony Jordan.)

Two Foreign Office files containing the official investigation of Hess’s death by the Royal Military Police Special Investigation Branch — FCO 161/69 and FCO 161/70 — remain secret, under a regulation normally used for sensitive intelligence material.

Marchers this weekend came from many parts of Germany and included representatives of numerous parties and groups. The event was chaired by the NPD’s national organiser Sebastian Schmidtke and speakers included the NPD’s Dr Olaf Rose (a former member of the regional parliament of Saxony) as well as H&D‘s Peter Rushton and international guests from France and Finland.

German media admitted that this was the largest nationalist event in Berlin for many years. ‘Antifascists’ failed to prevent the march and failed to drown out the speakers.
Antifascist’ arson attacks damaged signalling equipment on railway lines near Berlin, which meant that hundreds of marchers were unable to reach the city. Around 250 comrades including NPD vice-president Thorsten Heise from Thuringia held a spontaneous demonstration in the Falkensee district, after the railway arson prevented them from reaching Spandau.

Due to the many oppressive laws in modern Germany, marchers and speakers at this weekend’s event were severely restricted in what they could say, or what symbols could be displayed.

However we were able to convey a clear message that murder can never be forgotten, and that justice demands the full disclosure of the true circumstances surrounding the incarceration and murder of Rudolf Hess.

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This photograph of Hess was taken secretly in the grounds of Spandau Prison, where he was murdered in August 1987

This is the text of a speech delivered in Spandau, Berlin — with German translation — on Saturday 19th August 2017 by Peter Rushton:
Spandau is the site of a shameful episode in my country’s history: the murder of Rudolf Hess, thirty years ago this week.

My country’s leaders ended Hess’s public life in 1941, beginning his 46 years of incarceration — first in Britain, then in Nuremberg, then here in Spandau.

Let us never forget that even at Nuremberg, Rudolf Hess was found not guilty of war crimes and crimes against humanity. He was convicted only of involvement in planning and preparing a so-called “war of aggression” — a retrospectively defined so-called “crime”.

I am not allowed to discuss the circumstances of Hess’s flight to Britain in 1941. Although the achievements of the Federal Republic are so evident around us every day, it seems that this Republic feels threatened by any discussion of such historical matters!

As late as 1987, the Federal Republic had to be protected against the 93-year-old Rudolf Hess, and even 30 years after his death, Rudolf Hess is seen as a threat to the post-1945 order, including the Federal Republic.

Last month the UK National Archives released thousands of pages of files about Hess and Spandau. I visited the Archives in London and I have been reading those files.

In 1987 the Special Investigation Branch of the Royal Military Police stationed in Germany carried out an investigation of Hess’s death. Yet both versions of their report (interim and final) remain secret.

They are officially listed as “retained” by the Foreign Office, under a regulation which normally applies to sensitive intelligence material.
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Wolf Rüdiger Hess beside the open coffin of his deceased father Rudolf Hess

This follows the advice of a telegram from Bonn to the Foreign Office soon after Hess’s death, in which a British diplomat writes:

“We agree that the autopsy report is not suitable for publication and that it would be preferable to avoid giving it to Wolf Rüdiger Hess. …We also agree that it is desirable to act quickly. This should help cut short speculation and allow media attention to move on to other things.”

There is no explanation of why aspects of the autopsy report and investigation were to be kept secret.
While the autopsy report is now public, the full reports investigating Hess’s death remain secret.
Among the latest releases we can now see Foreign Office papers from the summer of 1989, drafting an official letter in reply to the late Ernst Zündel, who had asked Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher for the release of these secret files, but we are still waiting for the whole truth.

Ernst Zündel himself was jailed for asking inconvenient questions; we are still waiting for the answers.

If the guardians of World Order truly wish to silence speculation about the murder of Rudolf Hess, these documents must be released — there can be no legitimate reason for their retention.
Those two vital reports are still secret: but what do we know from other files that are now public?

We know that in 1941 there was a plot to assassinate Hess, very soon after his arrival in Britain. Brief details are revealed in the diary of a senior MI5 officer (Guy Liddell) and in correspondence between the Foreign Office and MI6.

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Alfgar Hesketh-Prichard, a central figure in an earlier murder plot against Hess, is seen here (second right) with members of an SOE team that targeted Reinhard Heydrich a year later.

We know that this assassination plot involved Poles based in Scotland; and an officer of the Special Operations Executive, Alfgar Hesketh-Prichard, who was an expert sniper.

This same officer Hesketh-Prichard (a year later) commanded the assassins of Reinhard Heydrich.

That operation is well known, yet most details of the 1941 plot to murder Rudolf Hess remain secret. What sort of ‘Poles’ planned this attempted murder; how and why did MI5 prevent it? What disputes took place within the British establishment?

It is illegal in the Federal Republic for me to speculate as to who might have been desperate to terminate Hess’s mission in 1941. We cannot suggest what these assassins might have feared about Hess’s mission.
The recently published documents show that the authorities’ fear of Rudolf Hess even extended to censoring Yuletide cards. A card sent from England by the political activist Colin Jordan was intercepted by the Spandau authorities at Yuletide 1983 and sent back to England to be investigated by our own ‘Verfassungsschutz’, the Special Branch.

Many new documents in the archives are letters from Hess’s lawyer Dr Alfred Seidl, who fought a long and courageous campaign to oppose the entire basis of the Nuremberg charges against his client.

The recently released British documents give many details of Hess’s medical records, indicating for example that while he remained mentally alert even after suffering a stroke and partial blindness in 1978, he had many serious physical ailments, making the official account of his so-called suicide highly implausible.

Officially a succession of British politicians claimed that they wanted Hess to be released, and that his continued detention was due only to Soviet intransigence. Then at the very moment when Soviet policy began to change, Hess conveniently (we are told) committed suicide. It was very easy to blame the Soviets: but London had a problem when this excuse was no longer valid.
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Independent medical experts agree that the horizontal mark across Hess’s neck indicates that he did not commit suicide (as this would have left oblique rather than horizontal scarring).

Given that the British authorities themselves accept the existence of a previous murder plot against Hess; given the extraordinary circumstances of his so-called suicide; and given its suspiciously convenient timing — all authorities concerned must admit that these suspicions can only be dispelled by the full release of all relevant documents.
Yet they refuse to do so.

Of course my country bears the main responsibility in this matter, but the Federal Republic in 2011 behaved even worse than the occupying powers in 1987, who had allowed Hess’s body to be released to his family for burial at Wunsiedel. In 2011 this decision was reversed and a much earlier barbaric policy was reinstated, going back to a 1947 agreement in the Stalin-era to cremate Rudolf Hess, scatter the ashes and destroy even the box in which the ashes had been stored. In fact in 2011 the entire family grave was destroyed.

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Hess family grave stone and grave-plot before and after its official destruction

Such is the Federal Republic in the 21st century: their fear of National-Socialism and their barbaric counter-measures have taken us back to the Stalin-era — and in some respects worse than the Stalin-era.

We will only escape the shadow of Stalinism when German and British governments dare to confront the full truth of our history.

Only then will we have a free Germany, a free England, a free Europe.

https://nationalvanguard.org/2017/09/be ... ss-murder/

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Mr Jones wrote: '[Mr Thomas] had received information that two assassins had been ordered on behalf of the British Government to kill Hess in order that he should not be released and free to expose secrets concerning the plot to overthrow the Churchill government.'

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